This new board will be a place where members can practice visual reading. At elly's suggestion, we'll be making practice threads approximately once a week, starting first with 5 celebrities to type not listed anywhere prior to this. The reads will be revealed at the latter part of next week. This isn't a competition, but a way to refine and grow as a community. All members are allowed to participate, even if you're very new at this feel free to take your guess.
Laurie Santos: Ti/Fe and Ni/Se. FeNi, perhaps. Rainn Wilson: Si/Ne and maybe Ti/Fe. I'd guess SiFe. Jennette McCurdy: Fi/Te and I'm not so sure about perception. I want to say some kind of PeFi, though. (Now I'm second guessing this one, but I'll leave it.) Mark Zuckerberg: Te/Fi and Se/Ni. NiTe or maybe FiSe. EDIT: I'd say he's more probably FiSe than NiTe Matthew Lewis: Si/Ne and Fi/Te. SiTe.
Laurie Santos: i think she has Te>Fi, her pauses are too fast to be considered a Ti processing, 2:22 i remember that thing in the TeNi video, in the part with R. Downey j.r., he does the same thing. Her voice is not so weak like a Fi would have, her hands are stiff and her fingers almost paralyzed, and the eyebrows are constantly going down/up down/up, so... that. For the Ps, it's difficult for a reason: in this video is constantly watching the camera, wich is not an human eye, and generally speaking almost everyone find difficult to not watch the lens, but i do think she has Si/Ne, stop at 1:05, is that a Si scowl? At 2:00, for me that is a Ne searching, she is thinking: "i've said something wrong, but what exactly?" and then she makes a smile that have an uber-heavy tension around the nose and seems none to the sides of the mouth. I think TeSi.
Mark Zuckerberg: I find him scary, not because of his personality, but because of his dead-dead-dead eyes, i find really difficult to understand what he's feeling at the moment, also what to expect from him. His eyes are Heeeeeeeeeavy locked on the interviewer, his voice seems more passionate, but remains cold. For me is a J lead for sure with a Tx as 1th function, maybe Te, the only thing I take to say this is the constant Headshaking when he speaks. For some reasons i was thinking TeNi, but i'm certain of this for the 09%, i have to say, his wrists are really firm. At 08:56 the guy say: "this is how close we sit", i think is a detail to define his personality, he needs a lot of space and probably find difficult to relate with people, i can se this at 01:39, he seems irritated: "oh gosh, how long should I stay with that woman?", from that video, seems that the only persons with he have a relation are only family members and his girlfriend. At 12:00 he just don't know how to answer that question, and is visibly irritated, the only answer he gave is a dismissive "is that a question?" with an awkward smile. I don't know, maybe TeNi, maybe not, is a puzzle for me. (edit) What i wrote before is wrong, you can have a Fx for first function but be an asocial person, so, i'm sure for an high Se with some subtle Ni manifestation (not sure if Ni>Se or Se>Ni), i'm less sure about the J functions, what i think is sure: he is a Jx lead.
Michael Doherty(interviewer from the Matthew Lewis video): i know that wasn't the guy to type but... TeNi , is the secret Feynman's brother!
:_.-._;EDIT;_.-._: (I added something in what I wrotebefore)
Rainn Wilson: another J lead? I don't know how to explain this, but he reminds me something about Steve Jobs in the way he is, but i absolutely don't think he's a NiFe... but i think he's probably Fx lead, maybe Fe, at the moment i'm not sure, so my goal is to find the Ps. 6:16 and 9:25 wow: NeNeNeNeNeNe, with Si blinking. Now for me JiNe or JiSi. Stop at 09:33, that odd facial expression... now i think FiNe. He seems a Te lead, but in the video you've posted he is more concentrated about the ethical things that the actual problems, "the system is just broken" or "a spiritual revolution" for me is more Fi than Te conceptually speaking.
Jennette McCurdy: the first thing i've seen in this video is Ne, and then at 0:32 a Si scowl. She has a thing that i use to call "apples cheekbones syndrome", for the enormous cheekbones, i think that thing is irritating, because makes me confused about Fe or Fi. She doesn't seems a J lead to me, is really extroverted and "go with the flow", and has a lot of social energy. Maybe she's a NeFi, (edit) actually, now i've a little change of mind, i do think she is PeFi, i don't know for Ne or Se. Now i'm more for the classic SeFi, she's very electric. (another video i used)
Matthew Lewis:Ni heavy? He has a permabored demeanour that makes me think of a P lead, maybe Ne or Se. He reminds me a lot Michael Fassbender... and seems a quieter version of ejarendee. For me is SeTi with an heavy Ni, at least TiSe.
P.S. I think it will be useful to write why you think a certain type to understand the reasoning behind, as i did in this and other posts
uups, actually is what i've done, but i forgot to post the videos for the time references i've written edited my post... for the 5th time. (i've also added something)
Laurie Santos: FeNi Some cues: constant swell eyebrow raises (Fe), steady stare (Ni/Se), interpersonal smile (Fe), Ni scowl
Rainn Wilson: SiFe Some cues: Si scowl, naive eyes (Ne), no tension in cheeks (Fe), swell emphasis (Fe), interpersonal smile (Fe)
Jennette McCurdy: SeFi Some cues: Se momentum, looking through objects (Ni), tension in cheeks (Fi), personal smile (Fi), inner radiating glow (Fi), cold shoulder shrugs (Te)
Mark Zuckerberg: NiTe Some cues: eyes constantly zoned out (Ni), steady stare (Ni/Se), tension in cheeks (Fi), smile rises up towards nose (Fi), snippy headshakes (Te) Matthew Lewis: SiTe Some cues: Si scowl, naive eyes (Ne), sullen cheeks (Fi), quick/blunt eyebrow raises (Te), personal smile (Fi)
Okay, so I've been a little cautious when it comes to posting my analyses because I'm kind of self-conscious about them and how they may not be fully accurate. Now, however, I'll do a little better about including my reasonings. I would like to request that when you read an observation of mine, you add a supplementary "Or I could be an idiot" to the end, in your head (ex: "That looks like an Si scowl, or I could be an idiot.")
Now, for the further typings (Now with 40% MORE reasoning!)
Laurie Santos: I'm still set on FeNi.
She's very emphatic both with her voice and body movements and the way she kind of uses both the swell in her voice (Fe) and her hand movements to put weight behind her words points to a Je lead. She has a few Ti checks, too (For example, 0:23). This video looks like a lot of Se to me, the way she locks on for most of the video and for pretty much every close-up of her face. And she drifts into Ni zone-outs too (0:19 and 0:43). So, yeah. FeNi.
Rainn Wilson: I used the video Heron posted, primarily, here. He definitely has Ti/Fe, I'd say with Fe higher up (Fe hand/body push at 3:30. Also some meticulous hand motions here and there). And I was kind of second guessing a little on the perception wheel, but I'm going to stick with Si/Ne. His eyes seem kind of playful and he has the Si brow (scowl in Heron's video at 4:05, as an example). So I said SiFe before, but he may be FeSi (or, I could always just be an idiot).
Jennette McCurdy: Still definitely Fi/Te. You can see the snarl-ish kind of smile both in the video of her that Heron posted as well as the original video (also there's an example of Fi sassyness in Heron's video at 1:09). The way she moves around is very Pe-leadish so PeFi for sure but I'm still too unsure of her perception functions to go beyond that.
Mark Zuckerberg: He's definitely some kind of Ni/Se. His eyes are constantly zoning out and locking on. And when he speaks it seems like he's trying to force it all out, but not like he's rushing. It seems more like he already knows what he's going to say and is just getting that over with. That points to Te, in my opinion, as a lot of Ti users seem to be constantly rewording and refining what they're saying even as they're saying it. His smile at 8:01 (only one I could really find quickly) also looks like it's going up instead of out (Fi). I think NiTe is probably the most likely.
Matthew Lewis: His eyebrows immediately strike me as being Si loaded almost constantly, and there are a few times in the OP video (did you change it?) where he explores a little with what looks like Ne (0:20). And also Fi/Te looks pretty clear. If you pause the new video of him at 0:24 his face/mouth looks a lot like John Kerry's in the pictures from the Fi vs Fe thread. His mouth is going off to one side and looking like a snarl/growl kind of thing. I'm pretty confident in saying he's SiTe.
mmh, i'm constantly rewatching this videos, and i have continuous changes of mind in some of the typing i've written. I'm certain with someone, with the others less or not at all. I have very little time to dedicate until the end of the month and i just can't go more deep than that. Maybe in a few days i'll make some corrections, Auburn how much time remains before it ends?
mmh, i'm constantly rewatching this videos, and i have continuous changes of mind in some of the typing i've written. I'm certain with someone, with the others less or not at all. I have very little time to dedicate until the end of the month and i just can't go more deep than that. Maybe in a few days i'll make some corrections, Auburn how much time remains before it ends?
Seeing as how most have given their opinion already, it may end sooner than the end of the week. I'm thinking possibly tomorrow morning? (or in approx. 12 hours, for those in different parts of the world)
Don't worry too much though, I think the discussion & explanation afterward may be more insightful than having more time to rewatch the videos without knowing what's truly missing from one's perspective and what to look for.
Hey there! XD okok I think I am done! I won't give you evidence in a beautiful decent way cause I am dead tired on this Monday night but I didnthe exercise and want to share my conclusions.
Matthew Lewis is my Body Pump instructor lost twin! Like, really, they are really similar (visually and the way they (and what) they communicate). and same CT: SiTe. Worldview type. Scowlings, Fi snarling, etc.
Rain Wilson. Oh, I had a hard time to type him. (I want to befriend him or at least have him as an uncle or maybe buying him a christmas present... after watching his interviews. #lovely). SiFe with a high iq (Fe interpersonal laugh and smile, scowling, etc.)
Mccurdy - omg. Definitely PeFi. I had a hard time detecting her Pe and I confess I only landed on SeFi because I had to hold on to non vr clues. Like, in ine if the interviews I watched, she receives something as a prize together with other objects and her first reaction was quite Se. She got it with her hands and manipulated it, had a total complete sensory idea of what it was about and emmited a judment related to how it sensorily felt. Also, her thought process seems Se. Her eyes don't have the Se/Ni typical qualities. Quite challenging. She seems to be japanese descendant and when the type is not obvious I still struggle cause their eyes are so different.
Zuckerberg - TeNi.
Laurie Santos - come on. She was the toughest one to type. I do see Se/Ni there but I am still uncertain of her J pair.
Last Edit: May 20, 2013 23:27:20 GMT -5 by Deleted
Laurie is definitely Judgment-lead, as the majority got correct. Her eyes are subordinate to her rigid/exacting body movements and face-centric countenance. She leads her body with the coordination of her headnods/shakes. Her energy is warming in the Fe way, and neutralizes continually. What makes a pause a Ti pause isn't necessarily how long it lasts, but whether or not it neutralizes the warmth in the face, although it's true that generally Ti pauses do last a while. It's possible for Ti to neutralize emotion in a fraction of a second, Fe-Push again, and neutralize again in less than a second. Per example between seconds 0:08-0:09 what you're seeing is oscillation between Ti & Fe about two or three times. And again between 0:31-0:34 those are very warm Fe pushes, with complete momentum pauses between them. This pattern persists during the whole video. Another important thing to note is that her voice follows the pattern of Ti/Fe as well. It's not monotone, but it cools down then exerts with emotional force, then cools down again.
As for which is the lead process, her articulation is heavy, and she does less receding than she does pushing. This isn't absolutely impossible for a TiSe to show, especially if they're giving a speech and have learned they need to be more expressive, but seeing her in more casual interviews Fe-lead, I think, is right. Her eyes are Se/Ni. They do a bit of darting but are generally focused and forward-looking. Not sure what else to say about these! The eyes are sorta one of those things that you learn to see over time.
Clarifications: Her smiles are not Fi. Mmm, the smile at 2:04, if captured as an isolated still frame does resemble the ones of Janet Jackson in the Fi-vs-Fe thread, but: "The best indicator of whether a smile is Fi or Fe is to observe how it rises on the face in realtime. Still frames don't capture the whole bending process of the face. Fi smiles will rise up toward the center and clash with the cheeks due to the tension that already existed, while Fe smiles will rise up somewhat more diagonally toward the ears and not clash with the cheeks (because the cheeks were flat to begin with) but fill them up with warmth." The section for Janet's smile (as noted) is a difficult cue; perhaps the place where it's most difficult to tell apart Fi vs Fe. But all other factors need to be considered as well. Her cheeks are unfilled at rest, and there's no tension in her cheeks. And if she's an articulator-lead, her smile would have been polar-Fi, which looks significantly different from her smile even at 2:04.
Si/Ne is definitely correct, quick example would be... 0:15 + Excessive eye blinking 0:19 + Eye Toggling while Pi Searching 0:21 + Si Scowling + Drooping Edges 0:22 + Eye Toggling while Si Scowling + Drooping Edges His eyes do lead his face, his eyes sit within his sockets and the way he holds the muscles around his eyes do conceal them deeper still in his sockets. The way they're held this way is Si > Ne though. Ne-lead eyes wouldn't be this concentrated. His gaze looks very much like James Franco in the first video in the SiFe Larin thread.
Clarifications: So most of you read him as Fe, I found this very interesting! Since the consensus seems to be against Te, I'll have to present a more detailed case. First I'd like to start with this different video of him and see whether or not the Te/Fi may appear clearer. There's also many other ones like watch?v=cIrtK2vXqxE , watch?v=D83LwCFM1co , which can help give perspective.
His voice is monotone - very monotone. Compare his voice to Fe-Laurie, and you'll see there's a very distinct difference in the way Laurie's voice intonation rises and falls, while Rainn's voice stays at a level tone and makes very snippy insertions that have little emotional energy. His energy is snippy, and he does dismissive brows, shoulder shrugs. He also has an Fi snarl and tension in his cheeks. In the vid in the spoiler, nearly every second displays the tension but here are a few still shots to demonstrate:
The few pushes he demonstrated in the OP video toward the end are an example of possible overlap. ^^ Specifically between 1:50-2:00. I do admit that does look very similar to Fe. It's not physically impossible for a Te to move their hands like an Fe user, and hand motions are not unconscious signals but deliberate signals, hence why I emphasize that hand motions are a lower-reliability signal. But even in his pushes his voice remains much more monotone than an actual Fe user. But given the full presence of all the Te/Fi signals, while just one instance of what may potentially be a few Fe/Ti cues -- and referencing other videos of him where that is absent altogether, it's logical to assume he's a Te/Fi user. The signals in him are still some 90%+ consistent with Te/Fi.
This one I'm actually not fully sure about. (p.s. I chose these celebs at random w/o really knowing their type myself at first) but what seems clear to most of us is the Pe-lead, indeed. Very visible in this video: watch?v=Q1xR2e6e4pU "the energizer bunny". Her eyes do look Se, even though they do a fair level of darting about. The difficult part is in her smile and cheeks. Her cheeks are indeed weird; they're very full and it's hard to see what sort of smile she has because the chipmunk fat gets in the way. I believe it's Fe primarily relying on the timing of her smile, her voice intonation, and her hand gestures.
The timing of her smiles is on-cue, meaning there are no accidental snarls randomly during her videos like there are in all the celebs in the SeFi Larin thread. The tendency to continually snarl in a way that almost appears to display 'disgust' is absent in her. Instead her smiles always align with social protocol. Her voice is warming, as well as her hand motions, with swelling and receding, although the momentum of Se makes it so the receding doesn't folly cool so I don't see much Ti..
But In videos such as this: watch?v=phnkwTPyV6g (at 1:00+ ) she starts to display what I do think is Ti pausing, and Fe exerting. She actually reminds me very much of our member chelsiew: watch?&v=IQWZzAfOhPs - who we typed as SeTi as well. But again, I'm not fully, SeFi is a fair estimate as well.
Nice! It seems a lot of us agreed on this one. His unblinking, steady, penetrative eyes, which lead his face, do indicate Se/Ni is primary oscillation. His smiles are indeed Fi, and he has the Te snippyness, monotone, headshakes/headnods, and all other signals present. His eyes are a bit curious in that they don't look as "hypnotic" as other Ni-leads might, and they look a bit more like Se-lead eyes, however his Te is definitely secondary. Te is above Fi both due to the type of lower-Fi snarl he has, as well as the continually "hard" deadpan shell he has on his cheeks. High-Te users have that hardness on their face which is dispelled briefly in moments of Fi, while Fi>Te users have constant sullen/pained (or giddy) cheeks which are less dispassionate. As the interviewer noted, when he was younger he was more awkward but he's learned to be in the spotlight a bit more.
Now he's an interesting case. I changed the OP video because the video quality of the first one was low, and this one shows his face closer up. But it also does show the Fi/Te more clearly. Si-lead is quite apparent in the way his eyes are underneath an Si scowl which also conceals his eyes in their sockets, but which are rather soft/fluid and glance around not fixating on any particular aspect. He doesn't have as "hard" of a Te as Rainn. He has a lot of Fi affecting his face, and this isn't impossible for SiTe though I think he's the softest example of one I've seen. I could see the confusion with FiNe, but Fi-lead would have a ton of other signals which are very much absent in him. His Fi doesn't affect his entire face -- it's limited to his cheeks mostly.
P-leads have their eyes as the most prevailing aspect of their face, while the mouth/cheeks down below are a separate dynamic which doesn't overtake the eyes' modus operandi. This is the case with Matthew; his Si-scowled-eyes retain their prevalence over his face. He's also got a lot of asymmetrical smiles. If you google-image his name you'll see dozens. The tension is definitely in his cheeks, from his upper lip going up right by his nostrils.