For instance, my wife will ask me how a phone conversation went with someone, and I will almost immediately start with overall impressions and it takes a great deal of concentration *eyes tightly closed, straining* to provide any detail of exactly what was said and in what order.
That's precisely what I experience in similar situations. (By the way, if you haven't noticed Erifrail is fairly certain that I have Ne-Si rather than Ni-Se and that I am a Ti-lead.)
Also, the way you describe having a peripheral rather than a detailed or "zoomed-in" awareness of your environment while playing feels very true to me. Feeling as if things are almost "blurry" in their nature.
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"Not *how* the world is, is the mystical, but *that* it is." - Wittgenstein
Also, the way you describe having a peripheral rather than a detailed or "zoomed-in" awareness of your environment while playing feels very true to me. Feeling as if things are almost "blurry" in their nature.
Yes. This.
βThe world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.β β Albert Einstein
Also, the way you describe having a peripheral rather than a detailed or "zoomed-in" awareness of your environment while playing feels very true to me. Feeling as if things are almost "blurry" in their nature.
Yes. This.
I had suspected something like that from a theoretical standpoint, but I was not set on its manifestation, again, very alien and intriguing
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Visually we see a lot of both Ni and Ti but the lead process hasn't always been easy to hone-in on.
I think at least for me there seems to be a gap in knowledge when it comes to differentiating the TiSe from the NiFe....(or the potential TiNe intermediate) so I was hoping to learn from you guys if you're up for it?
Interesting that you mention this. I felt that some of the exemplars you put in the original NiFe video were actually TiSe (Bruce Lee, Leonardo DiCaprio, etc.)
However, I'd be hard pressed to offer a concrete way to differentiate. It's in the vibe. TiSe and NiFe have very different energies, despite very similar body language. TiSe is almost unmistakably focused and direct, while NiFe energy is sort of looking through you and reactive. It's the difference between Earth and Air. Emotionally 'push' a TiSe, and they won't flinch. Do the same to an NiFe, and there will be a subtle sidestep and redirect.
If I -had- to point at a concrete signals... I'd say that TiSe tend to Se eye lock, even when they Ni zone out. There's more focus in them. Meanwhile, NiFe will do more eye drift-locks, and spend more time in drift mode. NiFe smiles tend to go more into the eyes than TiSe, and NiFe are more prone to do subtle versions of Fe than TiSe, such as the catching nod, and emotionally affirming movements. NiFe will react more to whom they're talking to. Unfortunately, these tend to require an interaction with another person, so solo webcam videos won't be as prone to exhibiting these Fe traits. NiFe sort of requires another person to Fe, unless it's a subject they're passionate about, where as TiSe generally doesn't Fe much at all. So, if you're watching an interview and you're not seeing much Fe, it's likely a TiSe... though that's not a rule, as TiSe can be 'coerced' into activating their Fe by others with a good emotional charge.
As for Ni/Se Ti/Fe, I can only speak for myself, but am pretty sure other Ni users experience the same based on conversations.
When I am doing the following signals, here's what's going through my mind...
Eye drift = tuning out of the present reality (to varying degrees) and pulling from the mental blankness to discern a concept, pattern, or memory *. It's that Ni thing we talk about. The mind goes half blank, half everything, and then we zero in on the answer.
Eye lock = Found it! This is where I am internally focused on expressing the concept, pattern, or memory I am trying to express, if I am talking or waiting to talk. OR, this is where I've temporarily drawn a blank and am returning to reality to reorient. In both cases, I'm re-engaging the real world in real time. This shift can be really quick, but it's a clear change in mental 'modes'.
* It's important to note that memories are tied to discerning patterns - and therefore the process is the same when using Ni. I suppose this is how Ni users store their memories (sort of like torrent files rather than in cohesive wholes), but in order to find a memory, I have to track down the pattern it relates to (kind of like downloading a torrent rather than opening a file). Sometimes this process is 'instantaneous' (lots of 'seeder' connections), but other times it takes a while. In both cases, the memories are triggered by creating internal recognition from associated pattern (like identifying a part of the torrent and then using it to track down the rest of the file), not by pure recall, which is something I fail miserably at and consider a magic trick when Si users do it. That eye drift is the signal that our brains have re-routed most of our resources to this, which seem to use the visual centers somehow. I'm literally not looking at anything, when I do this, and am only partly aware of the information coming in through my eyes. My eyeballs move to an effectively inert state.
Blank expression = Simply not engaging on an emotional level. This can include Ni drift or Se lock. It can also include values assessments and even expression of those things when that expression is 'logical' or impartial. Obviously, this is Ti mode. However, it's important to point out that it is not necessarily devoid of compassion, concern, or other moral concepts. It's simply not requiring the energy level of emotional expression / engagement. This is likely the Ni/Ti loop that gets discussed, but for me, it's just a base level of operation. I can do this from the time I wake up to the time I fall asleep. It requires no effort.
Warm expression = The compulsion to interact and maintain interactions with people in which an emotional or values consensus is achieved or maintained is the goal, though it's generally 'subconscious'. It is for the benefit of others, even if it's a subconscious reaction to the presence of others - as this is involuntarily reflexive. For example, I make eye contact with a stranger. I will almost always slightly smile, nod, or otherwise show a slight degree of warmth - whether I want to or not, regardless of whether or not they opened with or responded in kind. I can literally feel this reaction emotionally and even physically. In fact, I'm usually far more attuned to that than my expressions, which I've found I'm almost unable to fake. They just happen. I've read a lot about how Fe comes off as 'fake' and insincere, but in my experience, nothing could be further from the truth. I am sincerely experiencing the emotions I'm expressing, whether or not I initiated them or even 'agree' with them. For example, a person I don't like appears and smiles at me. I will return the smile - and I will feel the internal warmth of that smile - only to have that feeling quickly fade after the moment of connection. I might still be smiling as I subvocalize something like "asshole".
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Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
Post by The Doctor on Nov 23, 2017 13:24:28 GMT -5
This isn't a visual cue, but it is relevant to the use of Ni, so l am dropping this here...
A good litmus between JeNi and NiJe types is the 1% Miss.
Ni doms and auxiliaries are almost always right once they form an opinion, and the way they reach these conclusions is seldom 'conscious', which can lead them to develop a resistance to second guessing their hunches and insights. To hear many of them tell it, they're right 99% of the time but that 1% can really blindside them because they so innately trust their ability to guess correctly and pick up on things. I call that the 1% Miss. (I'm not claiming these are exact figures. It's just a metaphor.)
The reaction to the 1% Miss is almost universal.
JeNi's will almost always resist the truth, instead preferring to cling to their original assumption, even when it is proven incorrect. This is Je asserting itself over Ni. For example, an FeNi incorrectly assumed someone had motivations that they didn't (likely because that person reminded them of other people on subtle levels so their Ni associated all of those people as similar). Even when proven otherwise, they still cling to their original assessment of that person's character, and it takes a lot of proof for their Ni to finally leverage their Je into accepting the truth. Visually, when this happens, you'll often see their Je stiffen and Se signals activating as their Se jumps up to defend their Je.
NiJe's will instantly start processing the potential failure to re-calibrate. It won't be conscious. It will be a reflexive reaction, and you'll likely see them go into that Ni zone out with a somewhat bewildered look on their face. I've also seen a tendency to head tilt and withdraw. To continue the example, an NiFe will instantly start to re-evaluate a person based on the new evidence, often pulling away from that person until they can again form a solid opinion of them.
This principle works in reverse as well.
JeNi's will often ask probing questions to provide their Ni with data to process - sort of like a bat using active sonar, their Je sending out pings for their Ni to interpret. For example, FeNi's are prone to asking people indirect questions to probe their personalities, or making statements to test reactions. TeNi's will do the same, but with respect to logical frameworks, organizations, etc. to get a better understanding of those structures, often poking at the confines to see how the system or organization reacts, then adjusting their understanding accordingly.
NiJe's will rarely probe, instead simply 'listening' to whatever comes out as it comes out... more like passive sonar. They glean more from observing raw information that isn't tainted by eliciting reactions. For example, NiFe's are people watchers, while NiTe's are systems watchers.
Last Edit: Nov 23, 2017 13:28:56 GMT -5 by The Doctor
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Post by leeleechirps2.0 on Nov 28, 2017 14:14:30 GMT -5
a) Without thinking in terms of type, how would you describe yourself?
Open minded, curious, fluid, spacious, anxious, gentle, lacking common sense, easily startled, loves massages, dislikes too much structure, loves love but hates dealing with tricky emotions, private and open, hidden chamber of secrets. Can easily talk about gross bodily functions, particular about certain foods, particular about certain physical comforts, oblivious to messes until they build up, flirtatious, sees the best in everyone, hyper critical/analytical, fair minded, slow, dislikes paper work, fearful, dreaming mind, both loves and hates being around people, genuine, can't tolerate fake-ness, weird, strange, can be a know it all but dislikes know it alls. Hates the generic.
b) What sort of things do you find yourself contemplating the most?
Probably spend the majority of my time thinking about people and analysing their patterns. I also spend time dissecting my anxiety, and looping about how we are all going to die someday and how sad that is. I feel an overwhelming sense of helplessness- there is nothing I can do to change this fact. Then, nothing really seems to matter. This could be due to some trauma in my body that keeps me in constant flight/fight mode- but it may be due to factors I don't know yet. Another thing I contemplate is my relationship to the world- am I the one that is flawed or are they? What the hell is happening around here? Spotting incongruities in how one displays themselves to the world vs what I feel they are hiding underneath. Wondering if I will ever be obliviously happy like I see this women/people on FB and media. Wishing I could rewire my brain to a state of ignorant bliss. Fretting about tasks I dread, and then working myself up so I don't end up doing them. Contemplating my purpose- and wondering when it will become clear. Knowing that I do have a purpose- and I'm somehow on the right track-but not having the clarity means living in a constant state of ambiguity. Fear of death. FEAR in general.
Also, happy dreams- just letting my mind wander onto whatever it once. Attaining insights then instantly doubting them when shared with outside world. Lose confidence and then retreat back into myself. Rinse and repeat.
c) What are 3 habits you have that you wish to improve?
-Self Care-
I wish I had more discpline to eat right, exercise, floss, etc. I struggle with this area. I wish I had a personal assistant who could keep me on track in this area. I usually don't address a health issue until its reached a point I can't ignore. I also have issues with addiction/substances. I usually have a vice at all times to keep me feeling safe- whether its cigs or Sour Patch Kids, I need it! Self care also correlates to confidence in myself- and not doubting myself because someone else dismisses my ideas as dumb.
-Cleanliness-
No matter how hard I try, my purse usually ends up becoming a garbage bag of random odds and ends. Pieces of gum stuck to the sides, one earring, random paper bits. Same with my desk draws/closets. No matter how many time I organize them- they end up disheveled within weeks/months. Why can't I maintain the cleanliness? I don't mind cleaning, I just have a hard time with maintenance.
-Follow Through-
I can change my mind after making a commitment, and then forget to follow through with the person. Its like I'm afraid to tell them no, or I feel to lazy to bother. I guess this could also translate into saying NO right off the bat. I have a terrible habit of saying yes when I really mean no, and then cancelling. Or forgetting to cancel. I notice this pattern mostly revolves around people/chores I don't really want to see/do in the first place. I also have a hard time keeping track of all the moving parts in my life- various friends groups, work tasks, school tasks, there are too many people with needs and I feel like I can't keep up with them all.
d) How would others (your family, coworkers, friends) likely describe you?
Friendly, strange, soft and warm, easy to feel comfortable around, sexy, awkward, says the wrong thing, but also can manipulate any situation to get what I want, big heart, can be careless, loves people, lazy, smart, goofy, high maintenance, spoilt, but humble, generous, free spirit, hippy, weird.
Post by supahprotist on Feb 13, 2018 16:57:27 GMT -5
a) Without thinking in terms of type, how would you describe yourself?
Solitary, thoughtful in the sense that I think a lot and not in the sense that I think a lot about others and indecisive (I think). I don't really rely on other people or try to get people to do things for me. I don't really value social interaction or seek it out unless I'm bored. I don't even know if even colloquial thinking describes what I do. It's more of a mental train of indecisiveness. I don't really contemplate because that requires something to think about and I'm uncertain about what things are. Uncertain is another good word to describe myself. I am uncertain even about my uncertainty. I guess I'm also certain as well as uncertain. Maybe I experience uncertainty more. I guess that's uncertainty though. But uncertainty isn't really the opposite of certainty its anything other than certainty. Certainty is 1 and uncertainty is everything between 1 and 0. So I guess I'm uncertain a lot. The uncertainty slash indecisiveness is the main characteristic that I would use to describe myself at his point.
b) What sort of things do you find yourself contemplating the most?
Trying to figure out what I'm doing in the sense of the reason or purpose behind what I'm doing. This is making some assumptions that there is reason or purpose behind my actions. I also realize that what *I* do may be a false assignment of selfhood to thought. Lately my thoughts haven't been focused on a singular topic. I just ask myself questions like, "What should I do?" I don't reall contemplate as much as I just doubt and question everything that enters my head.
c) What are 3 habits you have that you wish to improve?
I don't really have any habits. I'm too uncertain about the nature of my behavior to know if anything needs improvement. Although, I'm also uncertain about that uncertainty. I'm uncertain about everything, but I don't know whether or not it's a habit to improve.
d) How would others (your family, coworkers, friends) likely describe you?