Explanation of snarling anomalies

Just my two cents, but I'm not seeing much tension in your cheeks. Your smiles look rather Fe to me, since the area under your nose doesn't seem to be contracting upwards, but rather stretching diagonally.

Hi Xander, I can't tell that much about your type from these videos, as you aren't engaged in articulation at all. What I can say is that what ethical function you possess can't be decided just from looking at the quality of the tension around your mouth. The book describes this very well:
But, regarding the psychology of your functions, I think that you have some interesting questions that I'd like to try to help answer. Some of what you describe actually sounds very much like the experience we’d expect for an Fi user.

I think the first thing you mention, having planned to say something, but then saying something else regrettable in the moment, isn’t so much about the particular ethical function one has as it is about being human in general. However, since Fe operates to coordinate a social situation consciously, by contrast what you describe could be the result of a socially uncoordinated Fi reacting spontaneously in the moment. Failing to execute social dynamics in the way one has consciously judged to be correct can be a sign of reactive operation of the ethical function, which indicates Introverted Feeling.

The second thing you mention, having a significant physical reaction to good news, sounds very much like Fi’s deep feeling. Fi is a raw channel between the emotional register and the experience of an individual, unlike Fe which proactively intercedes in emotions and attempts to coordinate their expression to the perceived expectations of the social environment. This doesn’t mean that Fe users can’t have a physical reaction to an emotion, but contrasted to an Fi user, the experience won’t be as automatic or overwhelming. Fe will likely also be more capable of neutralizing such a reaction, because of its relationship with Ti.

The third thing you mention actually doesn’t sound like it’s especially related to the operation of your ethical function; it sounds more like you’re describing Pe. If you are a Pe-lead, or your psyche relies heavily on your Pe function due to development, then that could explain why your focus is directed in an immediate way. When Pe is leading the psyche, attention is a matter of immediate interest and long-term focus and investment may be difficult. From what you say about having a ‘temporary hyperfocus/flow’, it sounds like Pe has a significant influence in your psyche. 

I hope this helps clarify what we're describing when we talk about Fi. I'm curious what else about your experience might lead you to the conclusion that you're an Fe user? Have you been typed on this forum as having Fe/Ti?

Hey there Xander
Welcome (back) to the forum!

@forum -aye. just for a little context, Xander sent me a longer private vid earlier that shows a wider range of signals; and my $0.02 was P-lead with Fi/Te.

Regarding your Fi... (and this may be a little hard for other members to see w/o the video but...)

I'd like to give an earnest opinion. I've had one or two close friends with damaged Fi and I can't help but see some parallels emerging between the way you approach situations.

There is some sarcasm and an edginess in your approach to things.  In many ways, there's a default unseelie tendency operating, which makes use of Te's dismissiveness.... but which also has some Pe energy at work that's entertained by the whole prospect.

Amusement (curiosity?) at the forefront, inner disbelief and passive-aggressiveness behind the curtains.

Unlike some other Fi users I've known, your Fi is not really "concealed" behind Te's more steely composure. Instead, your Fi is very active and visible, but also very disheartened (imho). So what you get is a visibility of that raw feeling/opinion coating all that you say and express... Your voice tone reflects this as well, with its pained, breathy tone.

I'm not sure what your actual internal experience is, and I don't presume to know. This is just what the signals tell me might be the case, given previous observations and associations. CT isn't meant to be definitive... but informative. If it can help you learn something about yourself, that's most important. It's not always about narrowing things down to one single type. Mountains can be learned about each facet of the equation, even if one facet is all we know - at a given time.

And you appear to have quite a lot going on in terms of development, which I'd love to learn more about if you ever feel inclined to share.

Xander, are you (by any chance) willing to upload a more thorough video in the forum? I am detecting PeTi from the short footages you have made available so far in the forum, but you've made public here too short footage.

Ok, I've uploaded another video; this time in interaction with someone else:

Your second video is great, Xander ! You seem to be coming very much from your natural self, which is ideal for an accurate CT analysis.

I agree with Erifrail and morsecode that you're an Fi user. Even though your smiles sometimes spread out horizontally, as morsecode mentioned and as it says in the part of the book I quoted before, this isn't necessarily an indication of the presence of Fe. From what I can see, it seems that your smiles pull upwards more often and more intensely than they spread to the sides.

I've done a breakdown of some of the most significant signals I observed in your most recent video that lead me to the conclusion that you're an Fi/Te user:

When you speak, your upper lip is consistently lifted toward your nose in an Fi snarl. (Examples of Fi snarling: @ 0:32, 0:36, 1:00, 1:08-1:12, 1:30, 1:33, 1:39, etc.) The rest of the movements of your mouth are made either in addition to this upward tension, or if the tension changes direction (such as in a frown), your mouth returns to its upward lift afterward. Your energy never neutralizes, as would indicate Ti. Your articulation is also quick and relatively monotone/consistent without any emotional pushes, which is all very characteristic of Te.

Your laugh is very sudden, spontaneous and has a giddy quality to it quite indicative of Fi. Examples of this laugh can be found at @ 0:14, 0:43, 3:02, 4:13, 5:04 and 5:18 in your video.

You also appear emotionally affected in the characteristic bashful way seen in high Fi users. A good example of this is when you're asked the question about what the biggest turn off is. You immediately back up from the interviewer, you recede into yourself, and you smile a bashful smile which causes a taught tension in both your cheeks and lower lip, then let out a subtle spontaneous laugh that moves your body forward with its energy. The tension in your cheeks remains the entire time you're answering the question, causing quite a few accidental, asymmetrical expressions that resemble embarrassment or disgust (as seen below).




While I think your judgement functions are pretty obvious, and that you are a clear Pe-lead, which perception oscillation you have is a bit more difficult to decipher. However, from what I can tell it seems you have Ne leading your psyche with an unusually heavy influence of Si.

Your eyes do toggle from time to time in the scattered movement characteristic of Ne, but most of the time no toggling is visible. Your brows and upper eyelids also press down over your eyes in the way seen in high Si users. I think it's likely that Si is adding some viscosity to your Ne; reducing the eye movement and spontaneous associations usually present in Ne-leads. What's curious if this is true, though, is that you don't do much Si scowling. If you are indeed Ne/Si, then you have a very unique development.

Signals indicating Pe-lead:

- Consistent body swaying
- Quick, loose movements
- Head & body follow direction of eyes

Signals indicating Ne/Si:

- 'Scattered' movement and thought processes
- Eyebrows press down over eyes & are turned up toward center
- Eyelids slope down over eyes characteristic of Si
- Eye toggling: 0:03, 0:54, 0:36, 1:51, 2:00, 2:40, etc.

My best estimate on your type would be NeFi, however I think there is room left to speculate.