"The second facet that constitutes the FeNi alpha visionary is the marked influence of mysticism and esoteric views within their philosophies. In many ways, the alpha visionary is the aspiration and realization of the NiFe contentious visionary. "
"This variation of the oracle, much like the shaman of many ancient cultures, comes equipped with some special trade or practice and their spiritual counsel is interconnected with, and emerges from, their practice. There is often an emphasis on the connection between the psyche and physical wellbeing, allowing for alteration of oneβs attitude to catalyze bodily healing and vice versa." Cognitive Type, ch.24
A mystic+oracle... (alt: NiFe)
This first video is very Ni-heavy, but below we see one that is in a less controlled setting, also showing far more Fe presence and comfort.
It's because the electromagnetic energy and the intuition of our hearts actually predicted that that was going to happen.
Einstein's entanglement theory, spooky action at a distance. It's that frequency, the heart energy. The electromagnetic energy. We start to become aware of how our frequency controls everything. And how aware we become - we wanna start paying attention to it.
So that's what we're doing here, a lot of people ask me how do you raise your frequency. How do you raise your energy. Step number one is to become aware. Number two is to fill your body with high frequency foods. That's why I'm a big advocate of drinking green juice.
Here we see the merging of bodily/somatic sense with an abstracted Ni concept ("energy/vibrations") and how that causes causalities to unfold in ways that can even anticipate events. Very tactile in its attention (Se), but very broad in its application (Ni).
We also see the keen focus on the Mind-Body connection, with the attention to the physical body's health.
Iyanla: The way to achieve your own success is to be willing to help somebody else get it first. I learned that. So I want to support you, and bless you, and give that to the universe, because if I do, I know it's gonna come back to me.
Oprah: So, everything you try to do to somebody else is already done to you. Whether that's a good thing (lifting them up) or tear them down.
Here we encounter another classic (though never exclusively) Ni/Se + Ti/Fe formation or variation of a karmic principle. It's a belief that utilizes the rationality of Fe's emotional economy within the fatalistic and interconnected paradigm of Ni.
I believe this is a common variation of heavy-Ni's anticipation sense; extrapolating forward into the future. Something (energy) is put into motion and to Ni the result (the "karma") already belongs to you.
Here we encounter another classic (though never exclusively) Ni/Se + Ti/Fe formation or variation of a karmic principle. It's a belief that utilizes the rationality of Fe's emotional economy within the fatalistic and interconnected paradigm of Ni.
I believe this is a common variation of heavy-Ni's anticipation sense; extrapolating forward into the future. Something (energy) is put into motion and to Ni the result (the "karma") already belongs to you.
Here we encounter another classic (though never exclusively) Ni/Se + Ti/Fe formation or variation of a karmic principle. It's a belief that utilizes the rationality of Fe's emotional economy within the fatalistic and interconnected paradigm of Ni.
I believe this is a common variation of heavy-Ni's anticipation sense; extrapolating forward into the future. Something (energy) is put into motion and to Ni the result (the "karma") already belongs to you.
Wow I totally relate to that
Cool! Are you also an Fe+Ni user?
edit: ah, just saw your other post. Hmm, if you find someone that can interview you more naturally, i'd love to take a new look at your video.
Aha, I just looked at the video about how to raise the body frequency, that's also something I'm subscribing to, though I had no idea it could be improved!
Post by ayoungspirit on Apr 24, 2016 9:17:48 GMT -5
"The second facet that constitutes the FeNi alpha visionary is the marked influence of mysticism and esoteric views within their philosophies. In many ways, the alpha visionary is the aspiration and realization of the NiFe contentious visionary. "
I believe these are two really interesting statements, for their interpretation could help better understand the potential nuances of "prevalence" or "hierarchy" in the different types of a functional quadrant. Again, "prevalence" and "hierarchy", even in their more technical sense, are quite definitive words to describe versatile tendencies, but with care to relate them to actual situations, they might offer some operational ground.
For one thing, I would like to access more explicit testimonies regarding the opinion of the NiFe on its FeNi "counterpart", and vice versa. Even if a subtype is seemingly centered around a frustration due to being heavily involved on a "supporting" function, such as the "contentious visionary", I do not think its "realization" might lie into another type which presents a more "fitting" order of "priorities". As is demonstrated in this particular case, the very frustration implies that the leading process can still prove influent on multiple levels, and except in punctual situations, I do not see how the "clear-cut" vision of a FeNi would be totally satisfying to it. To me, it is more probable that the "Contentious visionary", while being fully identified to its own dilemmas, will be intrigued by neighboring traits like "clear articulation" or "assertiveness", more than the general mindset which underlies them. Simply said, "contention" is surely not a flaw, but a comparable ethos, to which the NiFe is probably quite attached by its own right. But, since my own shade is Ti-heavy and thus oftentimes contradictory to this orientation, I would not like to extrapolate too much.
To say that both are inclined to derive "abstraction" into "invisible" trends, however, sounds quite adequately descriptive. From the examples you provide, it seems that the FeNi might be very concerned about converting this knowledge into a way of life, if not exploiting its arrangement for preestablished moral ends. This might contrast with the more "passive", and perhaps "accommodating" view of the perception lead.
Here we see the merging of bodily/somatic sense with an abstracted Ni concept ("energy/vibrations") and how that causes causalities to unfold in ways that can even anticipate events. Very tactile in its attention (Se), but very broad in its application (Ni).
Again, as a typology enthusiast, I am quite interested in the way each relative function might interplay in anticipation, something we oftentimes relate primarily to Ni. I agree that the abstracted patterns, as well as their cohesion, can make for a useful tool in this trade, but I wonder notably if a proactive judgement process like Fe, or even a more prevalent linear Se, might help "streamline" the perception in a way which allow for "confident", if not always "adequate" predictions. In fact, I may be inclined to think that, because Ni concerns itself with integrating conflicting perspectives, it might sometimes run against the "forward-looking" nature of proactive judgement or proactive perception, and that the resulting "inconsistency" would be incompatible with the "confidence" or "assertiveness" usually displayed by predictors. To me, heavy-Ni appears here more in the "abstracted", more so "holistic" nature of anticipation, than the reliance on anticipation itself, compared to the linear computing capability of other processes. Of course, this is one more time not factoring the influence of a subservient Ti.
Here we encounter another classic (though never exclusively) Ni/Se + Ti/Fe formation or variation of a karmic principle. It's a belief that utilizes the rationality of Fe's emotional economy within the fatalistic and interconnected paradigm of Ni.
I believe this is a common variation of heavy-Ni's anticipation sense; extrapolating forward into the future. Something (energy) is put into motion and to Ni the result (the "karma") already belongs to you.
Another very interesting, and personally resonating argument. Likewise, I would be curious to study how it varies depending on Fe and Ni prevalence. I presume that Fe is mostly accountable for the integration of moral "responsibility" into the standpoint, but for more tenuous concepts like "harmony", or "balance", I can only wonder how they interact.
Furthermore, observing that to Ni, the consequences already belongs to the individual, appears to me fully on point. I suppose it would be straightforward to suggest that the causes should belong as well, but the higher level of fatality that this aspect could entice might be less readily compatible with the more "driven" mentality of some strong Je-user. Unfortunately, most of my references to explore these questions are distant writers and speakers, not my contemporaries, which I would be pleased to read !
For what it is worth, even though I am inclined to be morally responsible for a variety of basic reasons, I mostly believe that the universe is itself operating according to a dispassionate balance of opposite, which is more akin to physics than spirituality. Yet, rather than being materially reductive or indeed concurrent to human aspirations, my view integrates moral elements into amoral dynamics. For example, if one happens to want "success", I consider it can expect to border on "failure" in a ultimately ambivalent, objectively undecidable way, both substantial and relative. I do not want to ramble about it though, so I will stay at that for now.
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ayoungspirit - i love this insight! it's curious how you describe the similarities and differences.
As is demonstrated in this particular case, the very frustration implies that the leading process can still prove influent on multiple levels, and except in punctual situations, I do not see how the "clear-cut" vision of a FeNi would be totally satisfying to it.
I see... perhaps it's incorrect to say one type's modality is "realized" in another type; as a type is not becoming another type, but is just perfect as it is - and that reaction belongs to his/her type.
Though I wonder, do you think that maybe the contentious visionary is trying to be a modality that they ultimately wouldn't be happy in? What I mean is, for example, sometimes a type's ego image doesn't align with their nature and there is inner friction due to this. For example, an NeFi that kicks herself for not being like her TeSi mother, and becomes Te-heavy, yet suffers a lot of stress because of it.
I wonder if the topic of the contentious visionary is actually part of a much broader, yet untapped, topic along the lines of "Stressors in Types with heightened Modalities". I've seen hints of it here and there, but haven't quite grasped it all too well; development.
First of all, I would like to mention that my argument stands if we interpret the phrasing in the most straightforward, and thus comprehensive sense : whether in reference to actual individuals or as an overlying concept, a type innate orientation should not be reducible to another type entirely. However, as I will try to demonstrate now, if we break down the particular factors, we may find some potential justifications about the "many ways" the "visionaries", or any other comparable shade, could aim toward similar developments, with varying results.
Again, despite my share of experience, I am not confident expressing myself on these topics without gathering more input and setting a proper frame of reference. Thus, if this is alright with you, my current contribution will lean on the questioning side of the investigation, perhaps in prelude to a survey. Or at least this is the intent.
To determine if someone is influenced by typical modalities, I think we should start by identifying more precisely where the tension might be coming from and concurrently, how it manifests. Furthermore, we should be able to differentiate what is properly relevant to a cognitive process, and what might be emerging from another instance entirely, whether inside or outside of the current model.
I believe the distinction may appear as clearer if we apply it firstly to your example about the NeFi who aspires to be like the TeSi. Shall we ask if the NeFi is concerned about the use of a function on its own behalf, or by superficial behaviors which may be thematically related to it ? Moreover, is the NeFi concerned because of a "moral fixation", perhaps tributary to Fi, or truly by a failure of the Te process itself ? After all, a dispassionate process like Te should not produce a passionate reaction or a persistent stress, except perhaps if we situate the emotional influence in a tied "instinct" or something of the sort. Another way to look at it is to suggest that it is the back and forth between an irregular Te execution and its assessment by a specific criteria of Fi which generates tension. Eventually, both solutions end up being tied to an outside or reductive factor, which makes it more complex to generalize through the type and subtype format.
All in all, it seems that we are circling around something defined and something moral, a "moral fixation" as I suggested, so it would be interesting to examine if this trait is attributable mainly to a subset of the ethical ("F") processes, or if this covers other "complexes" of the psyche as well, to use the word in a very general fashion. In the latter case, this implies the possible extension toward the logical judgement processes, and perhaps the whole of it. Could a perception process arouse some form of proprietary uneasiness in its effort toward "clarity" ?
In the case of the NiFe "contentious visionary", the external and thus contextual application of "ethical judgement" might yield its own difficulties for quantification, due to its wider intermittence. Beforehand, we should make the difference between the inclusive orientation of Ni, and the exclusive criteria of Fe, both of which can be linked to the general theme of "clarity". If the impetus of the individual is primarily oriented toward the punctual articulation of an ever-encompassing worldview, as is most likely to a Ni-lead, we can expect this articulation to be delayed, inefficient, and thus Fe to become self-conscious, albeit on a marginal level. We can also expect that the individual may feel some relief outside of the demand for articulation, when allowed to turn to a more faithful, and dispassionate contemplation. Beside, its aspiration will probably not collide with the divisive view of the FeNi.
To get back to more tangible elements, I believe a dynamic of the sort is evoked in the following quotes from the examples which were brought in the corresponding thread.
River Phoenix : "I don't wear leather because it's not mine, really. It's something that belongs to someone else. It's my personal choice not to, and I feel that people should be educated, not that they're not, but you know, educated in the way that they know they don't have to wear leather.
Thomas Bergman : "It is not with prejudice that I developed the way I have. I know that there are good people on both sides of the political spectrum, or both ends of the political spectrum, but while I was working in somewhat political fields, some of my own preconceptions about the right were taken from me"
On the other hand, it is conceivable that the NiFe might become preoccupied as well by a "moral fixation", which might be tied to a particular criteria, and which might be considered of the utmost importance, to the detriment of the leading process. This way, the individual shall be able to compare itself to the FeNi on the upholding of the value, even if it could not necessarily superimpose with Fe, but only a refractory segment of it, if at all. Beside, we should wonder to which extent it will be actually be bothered by the fixation, as its reactive state might create moments of peace almost in spite of itself, perhaps in a similar fashion as the NeFi might be taken away from its turmoil by a feat of buoyant optimism. With such an inconsistant influence, how do we circumscribe the identification ? The question become to know to which extent or frequency the fixation may have to go to become significant to identity, or alternatively how much we tie being an Ni-lead with perceptive reactivity.
One thing I did not mention was the possibility for a cognitive process to induce "fatigue", especially if it is not physically and mentally optimized, as I do not see it as directly responsible for stress. Nevertheless, that is also an interesting problematic.
As a side note pertaining to epistemology, it is interesting to consider that the description of the type itself as "contentious" appears to be framed by Fe, as "contention", if objectively observable and justifiable, is a qualification which might prioritize articulation. Another debate would be to situate how we should approach this standpoint.
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