Post by fenixwulfheart on Sept 20, 2016 4:37:32 GMT -5
Uhm, hello. I'm new to the forum and to the whole cognitive type thing. I'm more learned in Socionics, so the similarities and differences kinda leap out at me.
I'll be lurking around for a while and stuff. See you guys around
It seems Socionics ran a similar course to CT (as reported by Auburn in the Book Elaborations subforum), so I expect the parallels to be fruitful. Moreover, it is great to meet people who are already able to see through them. Have a nice stay, and see you there.
Post by fenixwulfheart on Oct 3, 2016 13:18:03 GMT -5
Hey there Erifrail! Thanks for cluing me on to this forum. I'll be perusing materials as I have time. I may eventually ask for a video typing.
Yeah, I agree ayoungspirit, CT ran a somewhat similar course. CT even borrowed the Quadra idea from what I saw, what with Alpha and Beta and Gamma and Delta being part of the CT system. It'll be interesting to see how CT explains the system in a 4 function model. I see in the Ego Boundaries article that the conscious/unconscious divide is mentioned, but I am not seeing how a given Cognitive Type Model is accounting for the other functions. Is CT conceptualizing the functions on a continuum (each person only has one T function which is "scaled" more introverted or extroverted) or as the functions are concretely different things but certain people simply lack some of them? It's an interesting concept, although I remain somewhat skeptical.
Yeah, if you're coming here from Socionics you'll need to wrap your head around an almost completely different definition of "function". The two systems overlap a lot, but this isn't one of them.
For example, Fe in Socionics is "broad social" or "group tone" and acting to influence those, while Fi is "deep social" or "relationship tone", and if you're doing one of those things you're using the associated function.
Here, it's much further reduced than that. TiFe users are more natively tuned in to group dynamics and such, FiTe users can also acquire skill in the exact same thing in their own way. A type doesn't need all eight functions.
yea ^ though we're not entirely closed to the idea of all 8 functions being present. the evidence will confirm or deny it in the end.
but presently it doesn't need the addendum to make sense of people's behavior, and in fact people's behavior seems to make more sense by how they suffer from the lack of a certain mental strategy/function and compensate for it.
Such as how (say) Fe is diverse enough on its own to motivate a person into logistics/etc, but the underlying purpose and method-of-application will continue to be Fe (such as the pressure of being looked at as a failure, the need to provide for family, etc)
Or how Ti can turn its dispassionate evaluation toward the emotional register, but it does so looking at it "as a curiosity" which it doesn't quite experience in first-person as Fi does. Or it'll do it by analyzing Fe, and how the dynamic-flow-between-people reveals patterns of the human emotional reciprocity/chemistry.... and so Ti users will tend to develop a kind of psychologically systematic (self-built system) understanding of the emotional dimension. Like Data from Star Trek, who can be fascinated by, and learn all about people but from an outside pov (of themselves and others).