Post by Zweilous on Apr 27, 2017 11:13:06 GMT -5
There're too many individual things for me to unpack one-by-one here, so I'll just share some personal experience of myself a half/half typical/atypical TiNe.
I may be 5w6 (pretty typical), but I'm 5w6-9w8-3w4 so/sx (alt. sx/so or 5w4). Hopefully you see what I mean by half/half d:
I actually relate to a lot of what you've said, and nothing really sounds "off" to me. I'm pretty artistically inclined, and have always been drawn to movies/tv/games as a form of communication, rather than to taking apart/rebuilding physical objects. I guess I'm curious enough to try, but my ADHD-I gets in the way of me sticking with the task and I learned to avoid making messes by never starting. When you take apart a movie, or discuss things with friends to get into their heads on interesting subjects, the only mess is words d:
I wonder if starting off life more emotionally isn't just part of growing up for TiNe. My mom always tells me this story about when I was very young (maybe 2 1/2 or 3) and we went to the beach: I ran up to the waves and said "Hello water, hello sand! My fingers and toes say hello!" In her words, I "got cynical" later on. I watched the episode of Hey, Arnold! where he learns karate and reflexively pulls this one threatening-looking kid's pants down, but it turns out he was "just looking for the bus stop" and runs off crying. I was sobbing! How could Arnold be so mean!? XD And I'm no better now- I'm still a sappy mess. I tend to keep the "worst" of it to myself because I don't want to be made fun of, but my wife will attest that in secret, I still love me some cheese. I cry when fictional people lose good dads or good friends (though I have an intense aversion to manipulative writing) and just between you and me, cute couples fill my heart with warm fuzzies. I'm a hopeless shipper.
In any case, I think starting off emotionally is something not alien for Ti-leads, especially TiNe (because Ne is so soft, diffusive, and nostalgic). To me it seems that referencing your own emotions in a situation is part of growing up with a primarily self-referencing cognition. Asking yourself what you think about things includes asking how you feel, doesn't it? I've always liked knowing things, but I only got uncomfortable with feelings when I was taught that they weren't the right way to handle things. I saw the reasoning in that, and other kids being mean to me a lot (I was a tall kid that liked to play pretend instead of sportsball) meant I've always been motivated to be rational and outsmart other kids, and to not let it "get to me". Things lightened up as a teen (even though I was just as lame as 95% of all teenagers).
I don't really remember a specific turning point, but I do know that teen-through-college I was extremely cynical, mostly due to my hatred of school (again, ADHD-I) and bitterness against a world that promised to look down on me for my lack of credentials or experience. Having taken indefinite hiatus for financial and emotional well-being reasons, it's been a lot easier for me to stay positive like I want to be.
I want to be taken seriously and to have a rational (but not necessarily purely logical) handle on things, but I'm just as much an ethical person with a strong sense of empathy and fairness. I've always wanted to be a dad, and as a kid I played out relationships with my stuffed animals more often than building things, though I did both. I may not react to every single thing with strong emotion, but globally I wouldn't consider myself complete without my sentimental, gentle half.
Shew, long post!
All this to say, if a TiNe 5 can be as characteristically emotional as me, I'm sure a TiNe 4 can be even moreso.
I may be 5w6 (pretty typical), but I'm 5w6-9w8-3w4 so/sx (alt. sx/so or 5w4). Hopefully you see what I mean by half/half d:
I actually relate to a lot of what you've said, and nothing really sounds "off" to me. I'm pretty artistically inclined, and have always been drawn to movies/tv/games as a form of communication, rather than to taking apart/rebuilding physical objects. I guess I'm curious enough to try, but my ADHD-I gets in the way of me sticking with the task and I learned to avoid making messes by never starting. When you take apart a movie, or discuss things with friends to get into their heads on interesting subjects, the only mess is words d:
I wonder if starting off life more emotionally isn't just part of growing up for TiNe. My mom always tells me this story about when I was very young (maybe 2 1/2 or 3) and we went to the beach: I ran up to the waves and said "Hello water, hello sand! My fingers and toes say hello!" In her words, I "got cynical" later on. I watched the episode of Hey, Arnold! where he learns karate and reflexively pulls this one threatening-looking kid's pants down, but it turns out he was "just looking for the bus stop" and runs off crying. I was sobbing! How could Arnold be so mean!? XD And I'm no better now- I'm still a sappy mess. I tend to keep the "worst" of it to myself because I don't want to be made fun of, but my wife will attest that in secret, I still love me some cheese. I cry when fictional people lose good dads or good friends (though I have an intense aversion to manipulative writing) and just between you and me, cute couples fill my heart with warm fuzzies. I'm a hopeless shipper.
In any case, I think starting off emotionally is something not alien for Ti-leads, especially TiNe (because Ne is so soft, diffusive, and nostalgic). To me it seems that referencing your own emotions in a situation is part of growing up with a primarily self-referencing cognition. Asking yourself what you think about things includes asking how you feel, doesn't it? I've always liked knowing things, but I only got uncomfortable with feelings when I was taught that they weren't the right way to handle things. I saw the reasoning in that, and other kids being mean to me a lot (I was a tall kid that liked to play pretend instead of sportsball) meant I've always been motivated to be rational and outsmart other kids, and to not let it "get to me". Things lightened up as a teen (even though I was just as lame as 95% of all teenagers).
I don't really remember a specific turning point, but I do know that teen-through-college I was extremely cynical, mostly due to my hatred of school (again, ADHD-I) and bitterness against a world that promised to look down on me for my lack of credentials or experience. Having taken indefinite hiatus for financial and emotional well-being reasons, it's been a lot easier for me to stay positive like I want to be.
I want to be taken seriously and to have a rational (but not necessarily purely logical) handle on things, but I'm just as much an ethical person with a strong sense of empathy and fairness. I've always wanted to be a dad, and as a kid I played out relationships with my stuffed animals more often than building things, though I did both. I may not react to every single thing with strong emotion, but globally I wouldn't consider myself complete without my sentimental, gentle half.
Shew, long post!
All this to say, if a TiNe 5 can be as characteristically emotional as me, I'm sure a TiNe 4 can be even moreso.