Post by bellabellas86 on May 14, 2017 13:20:54 GMT -5
umm, so my first impression was that she was kind of drifting from side to side so I though Pi lead, but then i saw Fi tension and the only Si lead (didnt seem Ni lead) with Fi is ISTJ and that seemed all wrong so then i thought if i'm seeing Fi+Si she must be FiNe but now you are saying that she is Se+Ni oscilliation...
how do you guys type? like, do you have a certain pattern of thought or just random?
Last Edit: May 14, 2017 13:21:40 GMT -5 by bellabellas86
bellabellas86 : "how do you guys type? like, do you have a certain pattern of thought or just random?"
Hmm...i'm not sure how to answer; i don't really have a consistent method. The more familiar you become with what the functions and specific functional dynamics (e.g. Si>Ne) look like in real time, the more readily signal patterns will expose themselves without much conscious deliberation. Learning vultology is a lot of trial-and-error. It's sort of elusive but once you see it, it's impossible to ignore, even if you don't get every typing exactly right (as i often don't).
i take about 30 seconds to make it (man i should print some out) and what i do is analyze the vid sample one aspect at a time. i write down scores from 1-5 on each box, depending on how powerful their signals are for each category. then i take a step back and see what i've written.
that allows for me to hit every major area without forgetting one. because sometimes, i simply forget to ask myself mentally "well, could you see them as a Pe-lead instead?" etc
with this, i know i've asked all the questions, without forgetting to look at an angle.
(...though admittedly i only do this when i really need to. ) (...nowadays i try to go through all these questions mentally instead)
edit: another one that's great is to have 16 core samples, which you use as the staple for the type. these are best if they're people you have a good psychological (personal) grasp on. so you understand the flow and processing behind their expressions. it's always best when you see/feel/understand a person's vultology as just the inevitable outcome of their cognitive activity.
when i started out, i had Michael Jackson as my FiSe "go-to" comparison, and so on. If you have one for each type, then if you're confused between two types u can always watch your core samples and ask yourself which one they best compare to. and if it's "neither" then u make a new category for them, and await more people to come along for a possible match.
Post by bellabellas86 on May 15, 2017 0:12:45 GMT -5
Tried using your table Auburn (ok ok in my head but still..) but the problem is that i still can't distinguish between some of the signals.. so I'm pretty sure about Ti/Fe (*prays she's right*) but not sure if Ne/Si or Ni/se.. I love how clear this video is though, too bad there aren't many like this.
Last Edit: May 15, 2017 0:35:47 GMT -5 by bellabellas86
That's an excellent estimation. You're getting a lot better!
There's very clear: - Ti meticulous hands - Ti Puppeteer Hands - Ti Neutralizations - Fe warm accentuation/delivery - Fe Zygomatical Smiles
And also Se/Ni eyes.
My estimation of him would be FeNi-Ti(alt: TiSe-Fe) Essentially a polarized FeNi, rather than a polarized TiSe as you suggested.
There are a few signals that show this.
- Conductor Energy - Higher F valuing - Native state extroversion (no exerted pushes)
All these signals are interrelated. The conductor energy comes out in his succinct and yang/forward delivery of speech and gestures. Unlike a Ti-lead, he's less doubtful and moves directly into gesticulation and delivery with ease. This also shows a lack of exerted pushing, which is a type of hesitation and liquid/fluid energy that all PeJi and JiPe have.
Instead his energy is direct (albeit reserved/contained in the same way Obama's is), almost pastor-like, and charming. His delivery is suave/buttery, and he has a creamy high-Fe smile. But he does have strong Ti so there's a mix.
For example at 1:46-1:50 he shows a slice of what I term reviser energy/doubt: Ti's hesitation, and real-time (Pe) processing. But then right away at 1:53 he's being quite grand in his arm gestures (Je), confident in his expansiveness, and Directive in delivery. At around 1:59-2:01 when he says "...are dramatic, often melodramatic" he has that creamy/suave Fe smile, and his delivery is very much high-Fe. Inversely, a Ti-lead delivering the same line would be far more flat about it, and/or placid-Fe. It would lack impact and follow-through.
But to be fair these are very refined subtleties which I haven't even written down fully. TiSe-Fe would be the appropriate guess, from what's been made public. I will post something about this.