Frequently Asked Questions (Discord)
Sept 18, 2017 12:25:20 GMT -5 by Auburn
Zweilous, Aqua, and 1 more like this
Post by Auburn on Sept 18, 2017 12:25:20 GMT -5
Hey guys!
I put these answers together to address the discord questions by a new user and felt it could make a helpful FAQ; something that can be updated with time. Context: The user was given an informal typing and was inquiring more about the specifics.
Okay do you have a tally of the signals?
In a formal reading, we do timestamp at least a 1 minute long segment of the video - which usually produces some 30-50 signals, giving us a sense of the overall pattern of the person's vultology.
Tallying the entire video can take hours depending on the video, and while it can be done, it's a considerable time investment for our readers who are volunteers.
And most conversation in discord is not that thorough. But if you'd like an in depth analysis, I'd be glad to put one together for you.
Does the book have the signals fully defined?
Yes. Although we're working on converting each signal into animated GIFs so that it's even more accessible and direct. Of the 110 we've got some 25 done, 50 or so partly completed, and I'll be working today to upload more of those to ease the process of learning.
What is the accuracy of vultology?
85% is about right for a 5-10 minute length exposure. We've conducted several tests where we type 5 or 10 samples ignorant to the other's results, and our official readers share about 80% similarity in their isolated analysis.
Naturally, consensus is higher than that when they're allowed to collaborate and share insights to come to a mutual understanding. With prolonged exposure and an aggregated 30+ minutes of video, about 95% of people can be typed accurately. There are some rare cases that the model presently can't explain, especially when mental health and abnormal psychology begin to interfere. But in the majority of normal cases, type is apparent in just the way the model predicted, and without signal mixing.
And the error rate?
As per the above, 5%-10% of samples display signal mixing. (i.e. Fi/Te signals as well as Fe/Ti signals, even though the model postulates we have one or the other - not both). It is unclear whether this is due to a legitimate presence of both, or the net result of noise (anatomy + learned behaviors/mannerisms + other factors), but the regularity of this duality is sufficient enough (at least 80%) to compel me to think something biological is pushing for function exclusivity. This is supported also by looking at identical twin studies, which show the same vultology even after being separated for decades with no contact with each other.
As for whether "Error rate" means people's psychologies not matching their signals.. on a superficial level that's typical (if ct is being paralleled to mbti) but actually quite rare once motivations are unpacked. Most all people really do match their signals, and there are behavioral clusters we've noted (like political inclinations, interests, habits, lifepaths etc) that seem to be quite predictable.
How does it correlate to enneagram? Big 5?
Enneagram correlations are being explored in this thread
cognitivetype.boards.net/thread/1508/ct-enneagram-correlations
which Bella posted. No thread yet exists on Big 5 correlations.
And ofc dichotomy based MBTI testing?
As for the mbti's dichotomy based system, the correlations are roughly these:
cognitivetype.boards.net/thread/1447/general-attitudes-full
So for example, an mbti "INTP" can be produced by a ct NiFe-Ti as well as an NeTi-Ti and a TiNe-Ti. Another way of saying this is an ENTP with strong Ti will seem INTP. An INFJ with strong Ti will seem INTP. And an INTP with regular levels of Ti dominance will seem INTP as expected.
But ct acknowledges that development plays a part in changing temperament. Rather than typing people directly by their most expressed conscious attitudes (i.e. "i value logic above the emotional/ethical") we discern their physiological type first, and then the modality in which they're using it.
What is personality?
Personality is roughly one's temperament. When behavioral tests like the mbti ask questions about your own self-identity, and also one's habits and (assumed) motivations, those answers can only reflect personality. Personality is the overall behavioral aggregate of a person, as formed through a combination of all their life's circumstances. So whether one is a quiet, introverted personality has more to do with things like their home environment, their emotional anxiety perhaps as produces through painful experiences, their levels of depression/health, or even their ideas about themselves and the activities they choose to restrict for themselves.
A lot of behavioral introverts are cognitive extroverts. That's to say, in a day-to-day sense they fit the contemporary stay-home-quietly definition, but cognitively their mind is proactive, initiatory and constantly engaged with some objective data-source or goal. One example I use is that playing video games is actually a cognitively extroverted activity. One is not leaving the room, or socializing, but the brain is deeply engaged in moving/arranging/interfacing with elements of the "objective world" since the mind can't tell the difference.
I put these answers together to address the discord questions by a new user and felt it could make a helpful FAQ; something that can be updated with time. Context: The user was given an informal typing and was inquiring more about the specifics.
Okay do you have a tally of the signals?
In a formal reading, we do timestamp at least a 1 minute long segment of the video - which usually produces some 30-50 signals, giving us a sense of the overall pattern of the person's vultology.
Tallying the entire video can take hours depending on the video, and while it can be done, it's a considerable time investment for our readers who are volunteers.
And most conversation in discord is not that thorough. But if you'd like an in depth analysis, I'd be glad to put one together for you.
Does the book have the signals fully defined?
Yes. Although we're working on converting each signal into animated GIFs so that it's even more accessible and direct. Of the 110 we've got some 25 done, 50 or so partly completed, and I'll be working today to upload more of those to ease the process of learning.
What is the accuracy of vultology?
85% is about right for a 5-10 minute length exposure. We've conducted several tests where we type 5 or 10 samples ignorant to the other's results, and our official readers share about 80% similarity in their isolated analysis.
Naturally, consensus is higher than that when they're allowed to collaborate and share insights to come to a mutual understanding. With prolonged exposure and an aggregated 30+ minutes of video, about 95% of people can be typed accurately. There are some rare cases that the model presently can't explain, especially when mental health and abnormal psychology begin to interfere. But in the majority of normal cases, type is apparent in just the way the model predicted, and without signal mixing.
And the error rate?
As per the above, 5%-10% of samples display signal mixing. (i.e. Fi/Te signals as well as Fe/Ti signals, even though the model postulates we have one or the other - not both). It is unclear whether this is due to a legitimate presence of both, or the net result of noise (anatomy + learned behaviors/mannerisms + other factors), but the regularity of this duality is sufficient enough (at least 80%) to compel me to think something biological is pushing for function exclusivity. This is supported also by looking at identical twin studies, which show the same vultology even after being separated for decades with no contact with each other.
As for whether "Error rate" means people's psychologies not matching their signals.. on a superficial level that's typical (if ct is being paralleled to mbti) but actually quite rare once motivations are unpacked. Most all people really do match their signals, and there are behavioral clusters we've noted (like political inclinations, interests, habits, lifepaths etc) that seem to be quite predictable.
How does it correlate to enneagram? Big 5?
Enneagram correlations are being explored in this thread
cognitivetype.boards.net/thread/1508/ct-enneagram-correlations
which Bella posted. No thread yet exists on Big 5 correlations.
And ofc dichotomy based MBTI testing?
As for the mbti's dichotomy based system, the correlations are roughly these:
cognitivetype.boards.net/thread/1447/general-attitudes-full
So for example, an mbti "INTP" can be produced by a ct NiFe-Ti as well as an NeTi-Ti and a TiNe-Ti. Another way of saying this is an ENTP with strong Ti will seem INTP. An INFJ with strong Ti will seem INTP. And an INTP with regular levels of Ti dominance will seem INTP as expected.
But ct acknowledges that development plays a part in changing temperament. Rather than typing people directly by their most expressed conscious attitudes (i.e. "i value logic above the emotional/ethical") we discern their physiological type first, and then the modality in which they're using it.
What is personality?
Personality is roughly one's temperament. When behavioral tests like the mbti ask questions about your own self-identity, and also one's habits and (assumed) motivations, those answers can only reflect personality. Personality is the overall behavioral aggregate of a person, as formed through a combination of all their life's circumstances. So whether one is a quiet, introverted personality has more to do with things like their home environment, their emotional anxiety perhaps as produces through painful experiences, their levels of depression/health, or even their ideas about themselves and the activities they choose to restrict for themselves.
A lot of behavioral introverts are cognitive extroverts. That's to say, in a day-to-day sense they fit the contemporary stay-home-quietly definition, but cognitively their mind is proactive, initiatory and constantly engaged with some objective data-source or goal. One example I use is that playing video games is actually a cognitively extroverted activity. One is not leaving the room, or socializing, but the brain is deeply engaged in moving/arranging/interfacing with elements of the "objective world" since the mind can't tell the difference.
