Ni/Se-leads - Music & Punk Scene

A few others
These I'm not too sure of beyond Ni/Se lead but I suspect they're Se-lead.

SeFi Luke Pritchard



SeFi-Ni? Pete Doherty



SeFi-Ni Jack White (alt: SeFi-Te)




Se/Ni-lead with Fi Billy Idol

(gamma for sure)

SeFi-Ni?


This one confuses me a lot.
He looks clearly NiTe-Fi in this younger interview:

NiFe-Se Marina Diamandus (alt. NiTe)




NiFe-Se Dr Dre




NiTe-Se George "Joji" Miller (alt. NiFe)

Auburn Jack White sort of reminds me of me...lots of Te but still lowered eyelids and scowling

leeleechirps2.0 - That's a great question. The best hypothesis I have right now (going off of Nancy Segal and twin studies) is that culture plays around half the influence in people's type development. So far we've found that in every identical twin pair, vultological type is the same; suggesting it's a genetic feature. Furthermore, even when they have been separated for decades or never knew about each other, their vultology remains the same. Which is baffling/incredible, considering one would initially think vultology (and mannerisms) are primarily learned.

But according to a massive study the net influence that society and environment can have in shaping personal preferences still accounts for an estimated 50% of differences between identical twins. This was part of the motivation toward subtypes theory -- as it became evident soon that despite us all having an innate type, there's variability in that type that we can all go through if we follow different life-paths. And yet, it never actually "changes" our core nature (which is genetic, i suspect), but I think we can change somewhat *within* that nature.

But what I might expect culture to do, for example, is cause a whole generation to over-modulate a certain function. If a generation of youth lives in a strict Asian culture where one learns calculus at age 11, goes to school for 14 hrs a day and discipline/education is highly prized -- then the whole demographic will have their "T" function overmodulated. So if they are FiNe, the'll be FiNe-Te, and if they were born FeNi they'll be FeNi-Ti.

In the 60s-80s, I suspect the P axis was being overmodulated by certain social bubbles, and pressure may be put on kids to "not be a square" or not be uptight (re: you'll be uncool). And so the P functions become ego-associated. Even the TeSi's and SiTe's try their hand at the lifestyle and become TeSi-Ne or SiTe-Ne subtypes.

What about drugs?

What I haven't really looked into at all is what effect prolonged drug use would have on type. >.>
In general, I think drugs (perhaps mostly hallucinogens/enthogens) inhibit the neocortex and hyper-stimulate the visual centers. It's the purest experience of Perception; surfing through fluid impressions and experiencing a very literal disassembly of the isolated ego. I recently watched a video by Jordan Peterson where he said enthogens cause a permanent change in personality equivalent to 1 standard deviation toward Openness in the Big Five scale (that corresponds to the "N" attitude).

Even if type is innate, it's only innate insofar as it's part of the natural design of an organic system -- which can still be modified/tweaked. So it's possible substances could alter type.

poetry, drugs and consciousness?



(heh that weird jack white guy blank boy and i were trying type, i was between NiTe-Se and SeFi-Ni, wondered if he could be SeFi-Ni..oh and he's another SeFi 4...)

Collo, you see NiFe for Cobain? Someone had him as TiSe, but I can see NiFe. That's more fitting.