Applying 'Inferior Function' Grip Activity to CT

I'm still working out my type, but once I do perhaps there will be some insight here.

Are you saying like....our weakest function whatever it is, or the most unconscious one, that we could be in the grip of that function?

Not yet, but hope to be at some point.

simonemusic (Joseph), I actually think that what you are describing above is the use of your Ni subtype.  In this case, you are actually making a choice to not gather more data (Se) in favor of being content with the associations that you have made (Ni).  So that sounds like a case where you are consciously preferring Ni over doing further data gathering and exploring (Se).  As a polarized Se-dom, I can picture many doing that.  (And in my case, I am applying my polar Fi when I am very consciously paying attention to what I value, what I like, and making decisions based on this.....that often runs contrast to my dominant Te).

Everything in the above paragraph is not what I'm thinking of in terms of the inferior grip of Ni.  Basically, in your case (as a SeFi), Se would be consistently choosing to take more of a direct, literal route to things and to not allow Ni to usurp the practical, moment-to-moment power of Se.  However, this leads to Ni needing to rear its head by providing more (subconscious) messages to pay more attention to what lies underneath and what is deeper (Ni) rather than what is directly in front of you (Se).  Then a grip event could happen where Ni applies so much pressure that it actually pulls quite you dramatically away from what is happening in the present moment towards deeper, unconscious, or heavy conceptual matter in a very compensatory way.  

I have no idea if what I just wrote applies to you (as an Se-dom) and it would be very interesting to see how well (or not well) this fits your experience as an Se-dom.  

In my case, I was shocked at how I actually do use Te to push down Fi (in a highly covert kind of way).  And it was especially surprising since I still value Fi so largely that I consider it to be a subtype.  It is like I consciously adore Fi and want to apply Fi to the fullest (as a Fi subtype) but then I still have this highly subconscious, hidden way in which my Te really wants to run the show and where I do not want to constantly emote Fi (perhaps in inappropriate or self-indulgent ways).  So this leads to an interesting (possibly love-hate) relationship with Fi, that I honestly never knew that I had.

So, I'm curious if any of this happens for you regarding Ni given the SeFi typing, or if this is somewhat absent for you.  Let me know what comes up.  Thanks!

Auburn, I know that you are really busy now about taking the model to the next level (and thank goodness for that!).  I'm very curious about any feedback that you might have about whether or not you think that concepts like "inferior grip episodes" cross-apply to CT, and whether either these grip episodes apply either to a) the 4th function within the CT stack and/or b) the function within the CT-derived function stack that is least developed (irrespective of where in the stack that function happens to be located).

I have no idea about whether I'm making a bigger deal about this connection than it really is, or if it is something that seriously adds psychological value to the CT model.  If you have any thoughts about this, I'd love to hear them!  

^ I just put this together quickly (we talk about this in some other threads, I remember)
The general way I've seen it manifest in people is as a duality where:

Conscious <--> Subconscious
Ego-Fixed <--> Unconscious /Repressed

If you've really worked on your development, you can even have "conscious <--> conscious" but you can't have "ego-fixed <--> conscious" because the ego fixation on a function necessarily depreciates the qualities of the opposite. The negative effects of functions come out when they're unconscious, but subconscious functions are not really threatening as much as they're just blind spots. I also think that when we are born, our lower 3 functions are subconscious (but not as far down as unconscious). Even in 4 year-olds, you can see them use all their functions, but subconsciously. Life events are what cause the shunning away of parts of our personality, and their resulting backlash.

That's all I have time to comment on, sorry mike. Also sorry if these posts are incoherent as I haven't proof-read them. >.>

So what triggered this whole thread was that somehow I found a novel relationship between myself and having grip-Fi experiences (as a TeNi).  However, I know that as an Fi-subtype, my development of Fi should be pretty solid (and I consider myself having both conscious Fi and conscious Te....I am convinced especially based on your lower post, Auburn , that I am not ego-level at either Fi nor at Te [and neither at Ni nor Se ]). 

I actually wonder whether my acknowledgement of Fi-grip resulted from an increase of Te usage...where I am starting to consciously OWN my Te as a means to keep me in command of whatever I am aiming to do.  As neither a Enneagram 3 nor Enneagram 8 (which I believe would be more prone to directly see Je in a conscious/ego way), this is something that needed development to to maintain.  I could see how I value my Te to objectively view reality in a highly object-oriented/here-and-now kind of way and I am applying that towards making constructive decisions about how to move forward and get priorities met throughout my day.  As a child, I probably had to think less about that because others could make many decisions for me (and life was sooooo much easier).  But now, I can't afford to let others make decisions for me as that pulls me farther away from what really needs to get done.  

I find it interesting, because when I thought that I was an INFP, I related very well to the Te-grip (of suddenly getting very controlling/assertive/bullying when under stress, while usually [with my more receptive and friendly Enneagram 692 tritype], I would usually try to pour oil on troubled waters and to make nice with other people).  So, I think that all this implies that my Te:Fi ratio is becoming more even. 

I also think that what I considered as an Fi-grip was probably more of a 'mini-grip' experience.  I don't believe that it would even be at the level of a grip experience for a person who has ego-level Te and unconscious/subconscious Fi.  The amplitude of such a grip experience is dramatically different, I think.

All this makes me want to consider Se a little more, as that happens to be my lowest-developed conscious function....and whether the amplitude of such Se-grip experiences would be higher than the others.  That is something to consider (although I know that it still would not be as large as if I had truly unconscious Se....which I don't have).

So much to think about with this lovely model, lol!