We already have the late Diana Princess of Wales's type (FiSe). Now lets do the rest, starting with the couple of the hour, Prince Harry and Meghan Markle, and then compare them to Prince William and Kate Middleton. Further below, a video of the two princes with their dad, Prince Charles in the middle.
My thoughts: I thought looking at the 'boys' with their dad that Prince William's mouth is more like his mom's than his dad's and that Prince Harry's is more like his dad's. So my first guesses are that Prince Harry and Prince Charles are Ti-Fe users (and that Prince Charles prefers Ti over Fe) and that Prince William, like his late mom, is an Fi-Te user.
Other guesses (just hunches, I still suck at vultology) are: Meghan Markle like her Prince is an Fe-Ti user and in addition, Meghan is Fe lead over Ti, in fact I am guessing she is straight up Fe-Ni from that story about the commercial when she was 12 (Will post the video below and that of her UN speech citing the same). The confidence she seems to have makes me think of Fe-Ni.
Kate Middleton, like her Prince, is an Fi-Te user. I'm not sure since her smile seems to widen bu she also seems to always have tension in her cheeks. That's my first attempt for now.
EDIT: Now I think Markle is an Si-Ne user, not Se-Ni. Her eyes toggle. Hadnt looked at them before, was just reall taken by her Oprah-like self-confidence and assumed Fe-Ni
Here is a video on the commercial story and her UN speech. Now I'm confused. I think I see clear Se-Ni eyes but above they look S-Ne and what I thought was Fe-Ti, now looks like Fi-Te because she seems to have permanent tension in her cheeks.
I tend to identify the quadrant and then guess the type as an impression of the overall energy of the person, as I find it difficult to clearly identify the signs of Pe, Je, Pi and Ji
Prince William: FiNe (upper lip tension, eyes toggle, airy voice) Kate Middleton: FeNi (wide and warm smile, eyes focus)
Prince Harry: NiFe (lowered top eyelid, looking in the distance, wide smile) Meghan Markle: FeSi (wide smile, Si eyes shape)
Haven't had the time to get through all of these yet.. but looked at Meghan and Harry. Meghan seems to be NeTi, same kind of shade as Lights Bokan. She has a lot of Ne bubbling momentum, naive eyes, excessive toggling, fluid posture with rapid movements, and if you watch the way she moves her head, she leads with her eyes. I'm also seeing warm, swelling Fe articulation and broad, intentional smiles.
Meghan:
Compare her to:
Harry is a little less clear in the posted interview, but after watching him in other videos I'm pretty sure he's FeSi. I'm seeing intentional speech, warm swelling, rigid posture, emphasis on gesticulation, etc. He also does Si scowls, and sometimes has the naive eyes and excessive toggling of Ne. This is a clearer interview of him (it's patchy so I started it when he shows up on screen):
It's really cool to have experienced vultologists' assessment, very helpful for training, thank you!
I tried to look at signs to help me understand the conclusions, would be great if someone could confirm if they are correct
In this video, I think that Prince Harry shows a FeSi "fun-loving and charismatic persona" at 1:25 with a joke, and "on-beat gesticulation" at 1:55
And for Meghan Markle, it is still quite difficult for me to differentiate Je and Pe, I just found here some Pe "body swaying", for example from 1:16 to 1:21
About Harry, yes the moment at 1:25 does demonstrate a fun loving and charismatic persona. His sense of humor is expressed in a very kinesthetic way here too, and is a bit corny! All these things could point to Fe lead and 'Alpha type', however it's important to be careful not to place too much stock in qualitative signals such as these. A TeSi, or many other types for that matter, may demonstrate them self in a similar way. Behavior is a complex manifestation of overall psychology, this is why we rely primarily on the discreet signals, and not behaviors, to determine type.
That said, we do see some general behavioral patterns emerging from the types. Fe-leads do tend to focus on building a persona, especially for social shepherding purposes, and tend to be more charismatic than other types. This isn't a hard rule, but there is a trend there.
um, as for the on-beat gesticulation, it's actually a less intentional signal (anybody can dab like Harry's doing there ^__^). It happens when an Fe user is speaking, and their expressions and hand movements are in synch with their speech, as in here:
As for differentiating Je from Pe, two of the key things to look for are Rigid (J) vs Fluid (P) posture, and Face Centric (J) vs Eye Centric (P). With a P-lead, you'll often see their body kind of wobble around, as if their spine was made of rubber. J-leads, on the other hand, will have a straight, upright posture that remains as a basis despite their movements. P-leads will also tend to move their head in the direction their eyes are going (Eye Centric) and J-leads will move their head independent of where the direction of their eyes may be.
Something to note when choosing which interviews to use for typing people, is that giving a presentation (like Meghan is in the video you posted) can produce some false J-lead or especially Je-lead signals. These aren't the best material, since the setting requires the person to behave in a more formal, organized way - they've usually at least partially memorized a script for example. If you can find them, one-on-one interviews are best. That said, looking at what you posted as well as some other interviews of her, I'm starting to think Meghan may be FeSi as well She has a lot of Ne spunk, though, if you notice her movements kind of have a jump to them, and could be said to be jittery. I also see her being eye centric in a lot of places, but for now I'm gonna say she's a double extroverted Alpha type; either NeTi-Fe or FeSi-Ne.
Alerith, thanks so much for that explanation. I find it very hard to tell the overall type of a person even when I may have gotten specific signals down. I'd say for now, I just know when a function is present (some, not all) but still dont know the overall strength of that function in the person. Part of this is my fault of course, I must actually study these signals and I haven't dedicated significant time to do so. I still don't know how to read Pe swaying, for example, unless it is very obvious. I don't know how to separate the so-called Fe warm push from a Pe perk-up. Explanations like that help a great deal with stuff like that.
Something to note when choosing which interviews to use for typing people, is that giving a presentation (like Meghan is in the video you posted) can produce some false J-lead or especially Je-lead signals. These aren't the best material, since the setting requires the person to behave in a more formal, organized way - they've usually at least partially memorized a script for example. If you can find them, one-on-one interviews are best.
Oh yes. I thought the same about my first own video that I sent in for a reading. I think of it as being a bit like talking to a mirror. When I record myself alone using the selfie camera, I think I am subconsciously making myself formal and presentable as I go along, as I do when I am in front of a mirror. I have recorded myself with a non-selfie camera a ton and the video always looks very different than when I am looking at my picture as I go along. I actually wanted to suggest that as part of the video instructions, not to use the selfie camera. I agree the ideal would be a conversational setting.
“If every tiny flower wanted to be a rose, spring would lose its loveliness.”
I often refer to the Vultology code page (amazing btw, the gif really help a lot), but I guess it takes time and experience to really grab it, I feel same as Aqua about it I guess That's why I like to identify the signs on a specific person when she/he's typed, it's kind of helping creating a mental database.
About what I thought was a FeSi on-beat gesticulation, the way he moves reminded me of the way some FeSi I know move. I don't mean just the pose - Harry does it very differently than Bolt. There's something special in his movement that I cannot explain... But probably it's just that I'm searching hard for signs
Thanks also for the recommendations on what type of video to choose, makes sense.
Looking forward to seeing your assessment of William and Kate!
First impressions, William SiTe, and Kate FiNe. William's energy seems introverted to me, even though he's a prince and well educated and trained. His eyes appeared to search in an Si way IMO. His humour also reminded me of SiTe. Kate's mouth seemed very asymmetrical, and her energy seemed introverted too. I didn't notice any 'ampedness' of Se or distance and intensity of Ni. I know next to nothing about their personalities and interests though. And I'm pretty inexperienced at vultology still, so those are just my impressions.
Quick look at Harry - FeSi, and Meghan - NeTi. She's quite warm, but she seems Pe lead to me. Maybe she also tones down Pe because it doesn't come across as 'poised'. Harry's eyes seem quite Si to me, but he feels Je lead, and I think it's pretty warm. I might be doing this wrong though, so who know.
Quick look at Harry - FeSi, and Meghan - NeTi. She's quite warm, but she seems Pe lead to me. Maybe she also tones down Pe because it doesn't come across as 'poised'. Harry's eyes seem quite Si to me, but he feels Je lead, and I think it's pretty warm. I might be doing this wrong though, so who know.
True. She's an actress and may have learned to rely on her Fe and tone down her Ne while in the public eye. The story from when she was 12 made me think she was FeNi, so concerned about the ethical content of that advert and going ahead to do something about it. I wasnt using CT, I just assumed that was high F there from an early age. In addition, her incredible presence and self-confidence is striking. I thought she has to be FeNi. But then I started looking closer at her CT signals especially at her eyes and saw the Ne toggles and realized she couldn't be FeNi. So I assumed FeSi. At least we are agreed she is an extraverted Alpha, even as Alerith specifies further, a double-extraverted Alpha. It means to me that her Fe and her Ne are very prominent while her Si and Ti are in the background.
Now, if only we could type the Duchess, Kate Middleton and her hubby, William.
“If every tiny flower wanted to be a rose, spring would lose its loveliness.”
Actually when I initially tried to type her, I went for Je based on this video, because I found her quite "bossy"
I watched it carefully again, trying to differentiate Pe vs Je signs: Je Pointed Emphasis 2:56, 3:20 Pe Bubbling momentum or Perk ups: 1:07, 1:28, 2:04, 3:16, 3:26
Now I'd go for Pe. The Je gesticulations look too diluted, not rigid enough (and hands move from the wrist instead of from the elbow), and the Pe gesticulations look more natural, so NeTi?
becks - Yes, I think you're seeing the right patterns! As mentioned about her before, she seems to be a NeTi-Fe, so she has a lot of signals of both extroverted functions. But her bubbly, casual energy, and the way her head follows the direction of her eyes is Pe>Je. Also, her thoughts are fluid, and seem to be reactive to what's going on in the moment. Je would be expected to be more assertive, firm and delineated.