I recently read 'The Book Thief' and really enjoyed it, but its style struck me as foreign to how I would personally write a book and I started wondering about the author's type.
I think I see lateral eye-toggling and lock-ons, nothing that looks like Ne toggling. Are single eyebrow raises a 'thing'? I feel like I've seen that more in Se/Ni types, but I'm not sure. I think his eye sockets reflect Se/Ni physiology more thna Si/Ne. I'm seeing cheek flatness, and meticulous warm hands and some pinching. In the second video there are some asymmetrical mouth movements, but on the whole his emotions seem warm and 'shared'. Overall I think his energy is receding.
I'm going to say TiSe.
Anyone else got a read?
(I felt like this is the book that Dr Seuss would have written if he'd tried his hand at WW2 historical fiction.)
I have a very similar read as yours. I very much see both Ni/Se and Ti/Fe. The only difference that I see here is that I think that I'm seeing more Pi than Ji. Leaning towards NiFe as it currently stands.
Last Edit: Jan 23, 2018 16:59:13 GMT -5 by mikesilb
I looked for another video to see better his arms movements. I'm just a bit confused because I see a lot of disengaging eyes, may be Fi ? So maybe he could be subtype SiTe-Fi??
Overall, I find that he has the Te nasal monotone voice. His eyes were more difficult to assess because he's very often looking downwards, but having a look at other videos I think I'd say that they look unsure, and I think that the Si descriptors "dulled" and "confused" could probably work.
2:03-2:21 Fi Asymetrical mouth 2:03-2:05 Pi diagonal eye drift 2:12-2:18 Fi disengaging eyes? 2:41-2:45 Fi disengaging eyes? 2:43-2:47 Fi Asymetrical mouth 2:51-2:57 Fi Asymetrical mouth 2:59 kind of slight Pe perk up?? 3:04-3:08 Fi disengaging eyes? 3:07-3:12 P casual hands, especially his right hand at 3:09 is dangling, I think J would be more rigid 3:15-3:18 Fi disengaging eyes? 3:16-3:18 Fi Asymetrical mouth 3:22-3:26 Fi Asymetrical mouth 3:33-3:39 P casual hands and ongoing movements 3:52-3:54 Fi Asymetrical mouth 3:54-3:56 Si slanting edges especially on his left eye 4:12 smile going upwards rather than outwards, and eyes impacted by the smile 4:16 Si scowl with slanting edges 4:57 and 5:03 Si scowl with slanting edges 6:09-6:19 Si scowl with slanting edges, at 6:13 especially I see the brow pushing towards the eye
I'm utterly hopeless at reading but his voice is monoton-y to my ears, like Te. But his mouth doesn't have any Fi weirdness to my eyes. Most movements seem to be in his side cheeks where his dimples are.
I had a look at what you were referring to. His mouth does seem to go asymmetrical a lot, but I'd like to hear from an expert if this is Fi Levator asymmetry, or simply zygomatic asymmetry. It looks to me like he's pulling his mouth from his zygomatic muscles, but I'm not sure what to do with this. I feel like maybe The Doctor mentioned this on another post....?
I also think his disengaging eyes look a bit like Ni zone-outs.
He seems very Fe to me, quite warm and engaged emotionally with those around him. Maybe I'm not reading this right. That 4:12 smile does seem to go up, but then it also seems to linger longer than Fi emotions usually allow. When he's explaining something, he has that look of "I really want you to understand this.. am I communicating it right?" that I think goes with Ti/Fe. Again, I'm not sure about this and would love some expert coaching here.
I'm not sure about his voice either. I think I need some clear samples of what 'Te voice' is. In Stephen Colbert it's pretty clear, and in a couple TePi friends of mine. I can often hear it when Fi women turn 'business'. But I don't really hear the same thing here.
Lots of Je arm waving. Wrists look a bit too fluid to be Te. Zygomatic smiles imply Fe. Speaking tempo is very peaks and valleys, even in the middle of sentences. He seems engaged with his audience and fostering a warm connection, again Fe. I'm not 100% on his J set, but based on what I've seen, it looks more Fe/Ti than not.
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
There's a very heavy eye-focus in him, as the main thing that's happening as he talks is ...his eyes are directing his head and switching between Ne toggling and Si searching. He's got a heavy inertia as well. Psychologically too, we see Si this interview above. Notice how he drones on into Si rambles as he talks and he begins storytelling. He goes on and on about the sequential cascade of events that transpires. I also find it interesting that he talks about how he was originally going to write a short novela and it just expanded into a long book. This is often the plight of a Pi-lead and especially Si-leads. As an example we have the infamous Te+Si Tolkien who went on for thousands of pages of back story and context to his books. He reminds me a lot of SiTe Scott Adams
I'm really pressed for time lately, and I'm having a hard time keeping up with the forum lately! ..but I just wanted to pitch in my thoughts here. I apologize if I can't be around as much in the next few days.
I had a look at what you were referring to. His mouth does seem to go asymmetrical a lot, but I'd like to hear from an expert if this is Fi Levator asymmetry, or simply zygomatic asymmetry. It looks to me like he's pulling his mouth from his zygomatic muscles, but I'm not sure what to do with this. I feel like maybe The Doctor mentioned this on another post....?
I also think his disengaging eyes look a bit like Ni zone-outs.
He seems very Fe to me, quite warm and engaged emotionally with those around him. Maybe I'm not reading this right. That 4:12 smile does seem to go up, but then it also seems to linger longer than Fi emotions usually allow. When he's explaining something, he has that look of "I really want you to understand this.. am I communicating it right?" that I think goes with Ti/Fe. Again, I'm not sure about this and would love some expert coaching here.
I'm not sure about his voice either. I think I need some clear samples of what 'Te voice' is. In Stephen Colbert it's pretty clear, and in a couple TePi friends of mine. I can often hear it when Fi women turn 'business'. But I don't really hear the same thing here.
Anyway, thanks for the responses.
Kahawa thanks so much for sharing the thread, there are gems there And sorry I didn't reply last time, I just forgot
I had a look at the video again before Auburn had evaluated it and I still came to Te/Fi and Ne/Si axes (but having a doubt then with NeFi), but I was still hesitating a lot about it, so I'm really happy Auburn took the time to reply.
I'm still giving my perspective: Ne/Si: at first when looking at his eyes again I also thought I saw Ni (especially after Auburn's explanations on chuck's thread). But then what came back to me is just this impression of "kindness" in his eyes. I still think he is high Fi, which probably emphasizes it even more. Then I saw these Si scowls again, and thought that Ni eyes could not do that.
Te/Fi: I also wondered about his mouth extending in the cheeks, but I still had this impression of upper lip tension - even though I understand from the last threads that lip tension is not so relevant... Let's say tension close to the nose. And at 4:12 his smile is impacting the area below the eyes (no Ti neutralization?). And again about the general impression on his smile, it looks like there is a kind of "complexity" behind it, but I don't know how to justify this, it's often an impression I have with Fi smiles, not sure if relevant.
And I totally agree that there is an impression of warmth coming from him, but I think that Fi users are also warm, but it expresses in a shy/modest/reserved way.
There's a very heavy eye-focus in him, as the main thing that's happening as he talks is ...his eyes are directing his head and switching between Ne toggling and Si searching. He's got a heavy inertia as well. Psychologically too, we see Si this interview above. Notice how he drones on into Si rambles as he talks and he begins storytelling. He goes on and on about the sequential cascade of events that transpires. I also find it interesting that he talks about how he was originally going to write a short novela and it just expanded into a long book. This is often the plight of a Pi-lead and especially Si-leads. As an example we have the infamous Te+Si Tolkien who went on for thousands of pages of back story and context to his books. He reminds me a lot of SiTe Scott Adams
I'm really pressed for time lately, and I'm having a hard time keeping up with the forum lately! ..but I just wanted to pitch in my thoughts here. I apologize if I can't be around as much in the next few days.
Good post Auburn, thanks. It's funny that we all (minus becks?) initially thought he was Ni/Se. I might have to go back through his videos again. If you get a chance to look at his T/F I'd be curious to hear more on that too, because I felt like there was quite a bit of cheek flatness, warm zygomatic smiles, and more than occasional meticulous hands, etc, but maybe he's doing something else?
The Doctor - hmmm, well i don't think we've had a public, full-length interview of you have we? and it's been a while since our pm discussion and we've refined a few things since then, like subtypes.
and i remember you were difficult even then. you seemed like you had Ne for a while there. Lately i've been wondering if you might have Fe+Ne, but i don't know.
The Doctor - hmmm, well i don't think we've had a public, full-length interview of you have we? and it's been a while since our pm discussion and we've refined a few things since then, like subtypes.
and i remember you were difficult even then. you seemed like you had Ne for a while there. Lately i've been wondering if you might have Fe+Ne, but i don't know.
Looks like it's new video time. ;-)
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
I started looking through some more Markus Zusak videos in order to analyse his vultolgoy... he's a total Si storyteller! I watched this for like 15 minutes, and he rambles and goes on tangents and gives little details and side stories.... and he's absolutely loving it.
Like Auburn said, he has that dulled and naive look. His eyes don't have typical Ni intensity or zoning out, nor any Se amped-ness or tunnel focus.
I'm pretty convinced his smiles and emotions are Fe, but I haven't qualified it very well, so if someone wants to make a strong case for Te I'd have to re-look at it. He's not Te snippy or blunt, nor seelie or giddy or anything like that. Again, his smile is sometimes asymmetrical, but it's not being pulled upwards, but rather sideways, zygomatically.
So, being married to an SiFe storyteller, I'm pretty surprised that he wrote a book like The Book Thief. But I guess people continue to break molds and defy stereotypes.
Either this is Ni drift + Se gaze lock return, or I'm mistyped.
The Doctor , notice how in the above clip he looks off to the side and then back at the interviewer. His look away and look back is very relaxed; there's no cognitive jarring evident in his eyes. I've seen different versions of this, and the way I personally describe it is that when Ni/Se looks away, it often 'snaps back', as if coming from a different plane of reality. This would be the 'faraway' in 'Ni-8: Faraway Drifting Zone-Outs'. They're 'travelling' somewhere, and then coming back.
Compare Markus' toggling with NiFe Leo DiCaprio:
Ne/Si on the other hand has a gentler transition. This could be related to 'Ne-2: Relaxed Eye-area' and 'Ne-1: Naive Eyes', although those descriptions are incomplete on the CTVC page.
I can see how the Ni plus Se combo would work like that: Se locks onto something, while Ni goes abstract and 'full brain' or whatever goes on.
I'm sure all people can do both a relaxed version of this and a more faraway zone-out, but it seems clear that people fall on different places on this continuum, and it represents something neuro-scientifically (what exactly I'm not sure).