This database and write-up is great. Super helpful to see them one after the other after the other.
Btw @auburn, do you think Seelieness (and even consciousness of functions) is hardwired like CT? Could Seelieness be 'nurture>nature'? Have you analysed it much in the twins study? If it's nature, then what IS Seelieness neurologically?
Post by ayoungspirit on May 3, 2018 17:00:34 GMT -5
So, here are French examples for the developmental levels. Like with the TeSi thread, it might need some rework before being exact, even though I am getting a little more confident.
Given the prevalence of the NeFi type in the media industry, there are some candidates for missing shades, who might interest you, Auburn . Of course, given the multiplication of signals, I could be somewhat off.
A couple of of them should be interesting case studies regarding subconscious competence or over-modulation, like self-made billionaire Xavier Niel, who does not always manifest fully realized Te signals, but has integrated both its ambitions and successes, or conversely president François Hollande, who shows vultological signals pertaining to Te, but ultimately lacks some qualia to be taken seriously as a chief of state, to go the full distance. One possibility I am entertaining is that multiple conscious functions are favoring confusion toward one's own identity, which could also be linked to Ne specifically.
Beside, Robin's Williams ability to store memes through Si, might be commonly found in successful impersonators. I have more examples to further examine.
As for my personal preferences in the US, I would say that John Oliver is probably the NeFi I follow the most regularly. Robin Williams is still an emblematic actor from my youth, and I enjoyed Kristen Schaal's performance as Mabel in Gravity Fall.
Comedic Actress. She has become famous over the years for her role as a guardian angel, meddling in people relationships, in Joséphine, ange gardien. She suffers from Achondroplasia and thus is of short stature.
Elodie Frenck
Actress. Like Marius Colucci (see below), she had a breaking role in a comedic crime series set in the sixties, Les Petits Meurtres d'Agatha Christie, for which she transforms herself through make-up.
Former teacher and comedian. She makes a daily report on the radio, where she champions such causes as the environment or the rights of immigrants, and mocks politicians. She became popular thanks to her appearance in a TV show hosted by Laurent Ruquier.
Comedic actor. He made his breakthrough role as a shy inspector and closeted homosexual in a crime series set in the thirties, Les Petits Meurtres d'Agatha Christie. He is said to look a lot like his father, Michel Colucci. In this interview, Antoine Duléry (see below) is remarking that Marius Colucci has gained some confidence on the set, probably to be associated with Te.
Vincent Dedienne
Comedian. He makes a daily report on one of the most popular talk shows for young people, Quotidien, and was previously on the radio. He was discovered by Laurent Ruquier, and has been open about his homosexuality.
"Bob Lennon"
Youtuber, also goes by the name "Pyro-barbare" or "King Lennon". He mostly captures let's plays, on games like Minecraft or Skyrim, during which he does silly impressions.
Comedian and actor. He left a mark on popular culture by running for president as a stunt, and founding a nationwide charitable organisation, Les Restos du Coeur, before dying tragically in a motorbike incident. He also surprised the general public by getting a prestigious award for a drama, Ciao Pantin. Father of Marius Colucci.
Pierre Desproges
Comedian and writer. His humor and writing were both surreal and socially provocative. He was obsessed with death and suffered from cancer.
Comedian and actor. He comes from a poor, urban household, and has made a name for himself as a jester, becoming famous through movies like Amélie. He created his own club, The Jamel Comedy Club, and a festival in Marrakech, to help youth from North African descent to make it in stand up. He lost his right arm in an accident at a young age.
Jean-Paul Rouve
Comedian and actor. He started his career in a small company treading in absurd humor, but has become well-known in the movie industry as a supporting role. His latest franchise where he plays the father of a coarse lower-class family is a popular success.
Hubert Reeves
Astrophysicist and environmentalist. He is actually from Quebec, in Canada, but still quite famous in France, thanks to his work as a popularizer.
Georges Brassens
Singer. His emphasis was not on complex melodies or vocals, but on witty and touching lyrics, in which he commonly praised freedom. He put famous poems into songs, and won a prestigious literary award.
Lawyer, far-left activist and political commentator. Her most famous client as a lawyer is Jean-Luc Mélenchon, leader of the far-left movement la France Insoumise, but after a severe backlash, she had to distance herself from the latter to be able to continue working as a political commentator on TV. She is born in Chile.
Actor. Beside his prolific career in movies, TV, theater and stand up, he also dabbles quite successfully into impressions and hosting. He played the lead role in Les Petits Meurtres d'Agatha Christie along with Marius Colucci.
Olivier Balestriero aka "Verino"
Comedian and Youtuber. He does a weekly report on Youtube, which he captures during his tour. He was discovered thanks to his appearance in a TV show hosted by Laurent Ruquier.
Actor. He started his career by doing stand-up as off the walls characters, before getting a leading role on TV, in the comedic series Un gars, une fille. In recent years, he surprised the general public by having a breakthrough in Hollywood thanks to his Oscar performance in The Artist.
Gérard Depardieu
Actor, businessman and winemaker. An unapologetic epicurean, he is almost as famous for his mischief than he is for his career in the movie industry. He has gone from rag to riches, and being frustrated with French tax laws, has recently acquired Russian citizenship.
Thierry Le Luron
One of the best impersonators of his times. With the help of his talented writer, he was feared from the political class, and made some stunts with Michel Colucci. A closeted homosexual, he died at a young age from AIDS.
Computer Engineer, businessman and self-made billionaire. He started by investing in pornography before branching into Internet and TV thanks to the concept of a composite "box". He owns multiple magazines, among them one of the most influent newspaper, Le Monde, and has founded computer and business schools both in France and in the Silicon Valley. Other videos (like this one) suggest a II-- Development.
Laurent Ruquier
One of the biggest TV host and producer. He emulates american talk shows with varying degrees of success, and pride himself on discovering comedic talent. As such, he owns a theater. He has been open about his homosexuality, and strongly opposes the far-right.
Left wing politician, and former president. He surprised the general public by winning the presidency from a platform of normality, before becoming very unpopular due to a perceived lack of investment and direction, as well as unkempt campaign promisses. Reputed for his jokes and craftiness, he was ultimately betrayed by his protegee, Emmanuel Macron.
Popular TV host. He began his career by doing impressions of celebrities but quickly branched into hosting music hall performances, where he intends to recreate the magic of childhood. Over the years, he tried to make a breakthrough in politics and serious drama, but failed due to his reputation as an entertainer, most notably his unapologetic party songs. He recently wrote nostalgic books where he muses about the values from his youth.
Jacques Attali
Former senior official, economist, writer, musician. He worked with or advised most of the recent French presidents, and trained current president Emmanuel Macron. His range of interests is vast, even though a lot of his books are derivative, sometimes copied from others. He identifies to philosopher Denis Diderot, and his latest obsession is the prediction of the future. In his youth, he seemed closer to the I-I- Seelie development (see here). Conferences in English are available here and here.
Former pharmacist, right-wing politician, and TV host. She held a lot of ministries, from environment to public health, with always a reputation of being eccentric. She has an encyclopedic knowledge about classical music.
Actress and writer. Although she had a prolific career between movies and theater, she is mostly famous for her wacky and mean comedic roles. She also got a prestigious award for her screenplay on female homosexuality, Gazon Maudit. When she began, she was considered Michel Colucci's little sister because of their physical similarities. Mother of Marilou Berry.
Edit : Added Jacques Attali.
Last Edit: May 8, 2018 12:13:10 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
Btw @auburn, do you think Seelieness (and even consciousness of functions) is hardwired like CT? Could Seelieness be 'nurture>nature'? Have you analysed it much in the twins study? If it's nature, then what IS Seelieness neurologically?
not at all fixed, seelie/unseelie is determined by emotional attitude. and development levels change based on the demands of life (or the demands we place on ourselves) so nurture plays a heavy role in these both.
the twins were all more or less the same but we need a larger sample size. anecdotally, i don't think it's intrinsic as i've seen emotional attitudes change in people in the course of their lives.
p.s. - there are strong biological roots to the light/dark reactions of the heart, but that's a whole other thread! ^^
What I believe we're seeing here is P(JJ) ...or two conscious J functions underneath a Pe lead function. It's the exact inverse of what we saw with the TeSi lll-. While the TeSi lll- is J(PP)... here it's almost as if there's a polarized J-lead (l--l) embedded within a Pe-lead structure. Like the ll-- development NeFi, there is poise and pauses. But like the l-l- there is energy and amplitude. But yet, like the l---, there is still soft swaying, buoyancy and head tilts.
Psychological Profile:
All of this (Ne+Fi+Te) is also reflected in their psychology. Meghan Telpner cares very much about health, self-care and happiness/wellbeing. She has a food/diet program and also a lot of advice videos about having confidence and finding meaning in life by doing what you love. Linda Liukas is a coder/programmer (Te) but one who is also advocating to bring more women (especially young girls) into coding, to educate a larger population about the beauty and "poetry" of code... and to make it a force for good in the world. Here again we see Fi motifs intermixed with Te motifs. And Zephyr is a heartfelt, liberal politician of a similar shade to Elizabeth Warren that has the agency of Te but also the care and agreeableness of a seelie Fi.
Unlike the NeFi l-l- seelie females, who have creative interests that are more entertainment-oriented, the NeFi lll- females have more Fi activism embedded into their Ne+Te. Linda Liukas is a cartoonist/childrens-book-writer like other NeFi's, but she syncs that with her programmer interests as well as her child-education interests to create books that inspire a love for code and self-empowerment. These three women are very business-minded, but in quite a soft and seelie way.
Omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg, omg! I'm turning into them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^ (I mean psychology/lifestyle/career-wise!) Lets see if my vultology follows in a few years. This is amazing! I didn't do this on purpose (set out to be like them)......
It's kinda validating but also scary af in its own way! Spooky, spooky, spooky, spooky, downright woo stuff up in here, this is what this is.
I mentioned this passively elsewhere but in a recent interview this month (October), Aurora Aksnes seems to have changed her development from l--- to ll--.
I think she was heading in that direction all along. Her deep immersion into Fi myth and expression, and her voyage into a phase of inner exploration seems to have catalyzed it, I would say. It's wonderful to see growth happen in real-time. I'm so proud of her!
p.s. Both videos will remain available in the database
"I think what full conscious Fi adds to the personality is pondering of ethics, morality, the meaning of human life etc to an abnormal extent, lol."
Idk, I think about this shit so much and I'm probably not conscious Fi
Maybe it's just different person to person, maybe male have leaning to more moral thinking and female have leaning to human understanding?
I'm speaking relatively, i.e. how this changes the Bubble faerie. What kind of faerie does she turn into once the Fi starts making its full weight felt in the personality of NeFi? I think the change is towards the philosophical/Ji. She develops a serious layer, though she still has the Bubble faerie present that she keeps going back into.