Post by Aqua on Oct 20, 2018 8:50:35 GMT -5
So I've been thinking a lot about what we discussed about this on the chat. Everyone knows that I've believed since just before my diagnosis that ADHD was the same thing as Pe-ness. I came to believe it even more from reading articles by some doctors on additude.com (I now think that doctor who most convinced me, himself an ADHDer, is probably a Pe-lead and Ne-lead more precisely--probably, so he may frame things in a way that seems indistinguishable from Pe...possibly).
After some discussions on the chat, I've changed my mind! I still think much of ADHD is just Pe being pathologized but I now go beyond that: I think ADHD is merely poor Je. Pes may possibly be getting disproportionately diagnosed because their non-Jeness is most visible (i.e their clash with Je is most obvious seeing as the two operate in the same extraverted domain).
Our conductor vs revisor category can skew how things appear because we end up attributing too much Je-ness to Pi leads. I prefer the Energy Quadrants because they keep the four energies quite distinct. I also appreciate the development layer of CT because it shows any two energies can coexist strongly within one personality and it's not that Pe automatically goes with Ji energy or Pi with Je. It's my understanding from our discord chats that the Pi leads too can suffer from severe ADHD, though I wonder if they are the ones who are said to eventually 'outgrow' ADHD as they become adults? Perhaps as their Je-ness grows they get 'cured'? Though...that would be the same for a Pe lead who becomes Je conscious.
This may be part of why it's so hard for ADHD researchers/specialists to find a common satisfactory description for ADHD--I now believe it's because it's an umbrella term for all sorts of folks with zero to very little Je.
So I still maintain my view that ADHD is a modern disease used to diagnose normal human differences as pathologies; i.e. they are pathologized according to the extent that they cause an individual to fall short of the ideal of modern society which is Je per excellence! Heck, there may be some yet-individuating Je leads who might get diagnosed themselves for failing to meet said ideal!! After all, a good number of them would have Pi or Pe egos and/or conscious development...
It's possible there may be people with structural/biological impairments that give rise to the same symptoms, yet I doubt they would be the majority. The sheer quantity of people with ADHD has been cited by many as an indicator of a strong possibility of it not being a disorder in the way we think of disorders. I.e. disorder as opposed to differences on a natural spectrum of some kind.
I think of modern society as a pyramid constructed through Je values. In such a world, Je-ness is your best bet at making it up that ladder and being ideal. I think that the assumption of dis-order as opposed to difference is due to this Je construction of society/values.
After some discussions on the chat, I've changed my mind! I still think much of ADHD is just Pe being pathologized but I now go beyond that: I think ADHD is merely poor Je. Pes may possibly be getting disproportionately diagnosed because their non-Jeness is most visible (i.e their clash with Je is most obvious seeing as the two operate in the same extraverted domain).
Our conductor vs revisor category can skew how things appear because we end up attributing too much Je-ness to Pi leads. I prefer the Energy Quadrants because they keep the four energies quite distinct. I also appreciate the development layer of CT because it shows any two energies can coexist strongly within one personality and it's not that Pe automatically goes with Ji energy or Pi with Je. It's my understanding from our discord chats that the Pi leads too can suffer from severe ADHD, though I wonder if they are the ones who are said to eventually 'outgrow' ADHD as they become adults? Perhaps as their Je-ness grows they get 'cured'? Though...that would be the same for a Pe lead who becomes Je conscious.
This may be part of why it's so hard for ADHD researchers/specialists to find a common satisfactory description for ADHD--I now believe it's because it's an umbrella term for all sorts of folks with zero to very little Je.
So I still maintain my view that ADHD is a modern disease used to diagnose normal human differences as pathologies; i.e. they are pathologized according to the extent that they cause an individual to fall short of the ideal of modern society which is Je per excellence! Heck, there may be some yet-individuating Je leads who might get diagnosed themselves for failing to meet said ideal!! After all, a good number of them would have Pi or Pe egos and/or conscious development...
It's possible there may be people with structural/biological impairments that give rise to the same symptoms, yet I doubt they would be the majority. The sheer quantity of people with ADHD has been cited by many as an indicator of a strong possibility of it not being a disorder in the way we think of disorders. I.e. disorder as opposed to differences on a natural spectrum of some kind.
I think of modern society as a pyramid constructed through Je values. In such a world, Je-ness is your best bet at making it up that ladder and being ideal. I think that the assumption of dis-order as opposed to difference is due to this Je construction of society/values.