Ok, edited all. I still have some readings to do, now we have to wain for peppergirl to have a decent computer that isn't from the 60s About Lisa Gerard i'm intentioned to watch more carefully videos of her, i started to have some doubts some days ago.
Edit, i added a chart on the list. I thought it was interesting to see the distributions among types, for the moment the "alpha" quadra is the less populated, the most populated is Delta.
heyggais, this time less "traditional" composers and more songwriters. Is very late, so don't consider all these reads as finals, and don't expect to have long and detailed explanations about my readings.
Mark Kozelek Only two interviews on youtube, this guy is "rare" (but i love him)
For the Ps i think he has Se/Ni, in the first video is very heavy with Ni, is pretty scary actually, the Js Fe/Ti. He suffered depression in his teenage, so i think the high tension around the mouth is somewhat due to this. In the past i used to think he was a TiSe, but now for me is clear that he isn't a J lead. So, for me he can be a very quiet SeTi, or an "asocial" NiFe, maybe the second hypotesis is the rightest.
Laura Marling
For me she's a pretty obvious Ti lead, TiSe?
Tim Buckley
I think he's another Ti lead, his functions seems Ne/Si, TiNe for me. Edit: Now i think SiFe.
Jeff Buckley
He's been typed NeTi in the forum, i agree
Thomas Newman
I think it's pretty clear, other than the body messages, that he's a Ne lead. For me is a NeFi.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 1, 2013 12:45:43 GMT -5
Heron : I agree on the NiFe hypothesis for Mark Kozelek. He seems more viscous to me than energetic except while invested in his answer like if it was inertia, continuing talking, mumbling, without really strong neutralization while bending gently over his guitar and not looking at his interviewer before coming back to lock on him, and quite affable overall even if one can see anger in the pictures you displayed.
Laura Marling : Her eyes were very tricky as her eyelid shape is kinda sharp and she does not blink much except sometimes (to compensate maybe) but as she did to me a clear impression of a cold Lisa Gerrard, I would say that effectively her eyes are very soft in their moves, sometimes a bit naive (even if Se people can also look naive with brows up I guess), and not very piercing their interlocutor even if focused on him so I will go for TiNe. She also have a whole contraction of face and brows even if it is not always very clear, where Se users go most often only with the superior part of their face.
For me, Tim Buckley undulate too much and have too much inertia in body and not enough neutralization to be a TiNe, but with his heavy brow, what do you think of SiFe (perhaps with strong Ti) ? He may have the half-pissed, half-concerned expression we were talking about (Larin video thread) in pictures ?
Jeff Buckley, NeTi, looks a lot like you in the small footage I have seen. Please, stay far from rivers
Thomas Newman give quite a monotonic quick speech with some restraint near the side of the nose, and have something which is more of the Fi pained expression, so I agree on NeFi.
mh, yes, i think i agree with some of the readings you done, when i done the first i was really tired and these last days i started to change my mind with someone. Mark Kozelek is an awesome NiFe, characterially is almost the contrary of the stereotypes Tim Buckley SiFe at a certain point (for me at least) became obvious: he was very similar to the son, but way more quiet and affable. What tricked me was is his face, surprisingly (for the order of the functions) Jeff was more expressive than him. I don't agree with Laura Marling, her eyes are very soft, but i think they act in a Se/Ni manner, in this video it appears more evident to me:
But i've to say that she is really tricky, her smile seems more Fi than Fe .__. and her cheekbones are very muscolar and evident. I still don't have any doubt she uses Ti.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 1, 2013 15:12:26 GMT -5
Heron : I really think that she is not pushing, swift enough with the stare to be Se, she mostly brush to the side and look only one or twice softly at the other person in the interview you published, not very lock in/zone out, but more randomly looking everywhere. The judging function can also be somewhat puzzling but her cheekbones seems always at the same range, not intensely contracting inward, and she is very zen-like in most of her picture, not sulking, being angry or pained, very open when smiling and her voice is neutral, deep and receding, not very sharp, fairy-like or nasal, so this must be bone shape.
mh... wanna play a game? I listened some music by Michael Giacchino, i want to try a "musical read" of the functions, just for fun , by 2 hours from now i'll make a traditional read. Let's see:
I suppose he has Ne/Si, and judging functions Fi/Te.
Edit: well, i'm impatient -__- maybe less that two hours. About Laura Marling, i'm starting to doubt about her, i'll search more videos/images
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 2, 2013 17:30:37 GMT -5
Okay, my first impression of the music is FiNe (or possibly a shy piece of NeFi). He seems to add progressively some motifs with a crescendo in extroverted mystery (Ne) (sound a bit like your last one this way) and with always some contained but prevailing hope that become overwhelming and very anxious by the end (Fi). I see FiSe less strongly (very predictable development could be Ni, and seems more projected to a precise end, dynamic, than yours which is more atmospheric and internally structured) and commercialism as a challenger (my analysis and the music sounded exactly like the movie would intend to buy the audience). What will it be ?
I have finished my statement, I am ready to see the traditional reading.
Heron : By the way, reminded me of this style of music (and movie), more as a market target than homage : Tu tutu tu-tu-tu-tu tututu
Last Edit: Jul 2, 2013 17:56:58 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
Hey, i think we spot on! Ne naive/scattered eyes, Si scowling, some rapresentation of Fi pained expression, monotonous speech, Fi tension/smile... But i'm a little confused with the order. He seems to have an heavy Te, but he don't express that kind of energy, he seems to retain it more toward himself. Then, he seems more prone to do "Ne" abstract explorations. I think he is a NeFi. Funny how he replaced the old composer, Jerry Goldsmith, that we typed NeFi
The music i posted was only an example but i do think that is possible to differentiate the two, at least, i "feel" it in a subjective way, i still don't have any term to describe it. Maybe we found the right type just for fortune, or there's a real connection between types and music? Let's see in the future
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 3, 2013 8:45:07 GMT -5
I could not believe that an Italian NeFi could be so calm, but yeah, he is in my opinion, another victory against stereotypes
I really thought that there was some similarities between his piece and yours (progressive accumulation of different motifs with something of a combine effect (they echo each other)) with some difference between your internal structure of harmony and his emerging emotional tension. That was what I made my bet on, so there might be something to it, but let's not pride ourselves too quick.
I started to notice some patterns, obviously like you said is too early to consider those complete findings, i'm still confused with some details and i think isn't the time to share them. As you probably notice, i haven't posted my document yet Giacchino is born in america, but i think his parents are born in italy
Laura Marlin - yeah ticky. Ni/Se Fi/Te... I was thinking NiTe. (Alt.: TiSe) She has something that totally seems to be perma Fi tension in her face and the Fi snarl is there. On the other hand, her articulation doesn't seem Te, but more Fe but maybe it's the British accent (I have the same impression about Morrisey's articulation and he's definitely a Te user).
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 7, 2013 19:20:17 GMT -5
We have a third reader again, yay
PS : I suspend my judgement on Laura Marlin for the moment, I have made progress in typing lately and she puzzles me again, and I am too tired to look at it closely.
Last Edit: Aug 29, 2013 17:22:04 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit