I have found myself spending lots of time watching interviews on talk shows in order to practice typing people and to see what certain types looks like. Since I spend so much time looking at them anyway, I figure I'd like to know the type of the hosts. I'm guessing other people do the same thing as I do, so this could be useful to anyone.
Craig Fergusson (Standard disclaimers apply)- My guess would be Fi/Te (saw a bit of snarling and he sounded fairly deadpan, but this is questionable, feel free to challenge as I'm going by impressions as much as anything else) and Si/Ne (scowling, blinking etc). I'd say TeSi would be my first attempt, but others can feel free to correct me.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 15, 2013 12:12:48 GMT -5
The perception functions of Craig Ferguson are pretty clear in my opinion : heavy brow that lean to the sides, heavy blinking sometimes, eyes rest gently in their socket, also a lot of self-parodying in his gesticulations, all of that pointing to Si-Ne. He is quite energetic very offensive, and seem to struggle to contain his energy, while having somewhat jerky contained hand movements and not a lot of smiling, so I guess he is a Ne-lead. Judging pair is more difficult to see because of his brutal moves due to the momentum of Ne, but I see that his hands have always finger detached (3:10), a somewhat meticulous and feminine quality to them, with puppeteer (independent fingers) moves (6:27) and his smile can be very large while a bit artificial (4:19), which is more in favor of Ti-Fe. My guess is NeTi.
Also, he looks mostly peaceful and relaxed in pictures, contrary to the pained or tense looking Ellen DeGeneres :
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why, why, why have you people forgot David Letterman? D:
what do you think? I see SiTe , Si scowls, head on a side while gesticulating (similar to Bush), frightned stare, stiff fingers, flowing articulation without too many stops in it. I agree with Conan O'B. being NeTi
Post by peppergirl on Jul 15, 2013 13:38:51 GMT -5
Ellen Degeneres was typed as SiTe by Erifrail if I remember (I think she's in the list). I can see it as her eyes look clearly naive in the Ne way and her speech is monotone and deadpan most of the time and she has a P-lead "laid-back" attitude.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 15, 2013 13:52:52 GMT -5
peppergirl : Hm... I may have been fooled by the low quality of the video, good point, Si-Ne. But the laid-back attitude is not that clear, she really moves like a stick ! Compare this two (or with David Letterman), especially at 5:14 :
Also, I do not have her on the list I have
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Post by peppergirl on Jul 15, 2013 14:02:11 GMT -5
She probably has a more formal posture because she hosting a takl-show, to look professional I guess but even then she doesn't come across as J-lead to me. I think it's not in the list that I saw her but in the personal notes by Erifrail on the less "popular" types (because of MBTI misinterpretations). I don't remember the exact name of the thread but it was before you were on the forum.
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 15, 2013 14:07:17 GMT -5
I believe she mostly does not come across as a Ji lead in this particular case because there is a more flagrant difference between FiNe and SiTe unique style than in the other quadra Ji and Pi, mostly because of the pixie/deadpan thing. I could be getting my impression from Te, but...
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Nice threeeadd. I'll possibily contribute in the future or not . (no time now). Just wanted to say Ellen DeGeneres is the coolest well-known american I know. #fan #mycontribution
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Post by 999greeneyes on Jul 15, 2013 16:58:05 GMT -5
I would type Ellen as NeFi for the following reasons:
Buoyant Momentum (Ne): she is restlesness, just by watching her give me the restless feeling. She always constantly make random comments before other or her gets to finishe a sentence making it feel like superficial.
Ellen also have eye-centric face which is consistent with P lead. She also shows quick blunt articulation (Te) and quick headnodes (Te) and snarling Smile (Fi).
The Fi (snarlig smile) and Te (death pan face) is defintately apparent in her face. I get this feeling of her being soul less despite her smiling. This is a feeling I always get with NeFi. When I get this feeling I can pretty much tell that they are likely to be high Fi user, and more often so NeFi. Eventhough I have just said hi to them it pretty much apparent for me that they are NeFi, for this particular NeFi user.
Ellen is also good with people a quality you get from NeFi. She doesn't really have an intense conversation as much as bouncing from idea to idea (Ne),random talking compared to Oprah Fe user that likes to talk about experiences.
Post by peppergirl on Jul 15, 2013 17:39:23 GMT -5
999greeneyes I agree that she is a P-lead but I think she is SiTe. Her smile is of the Fi subpolar type and she's wayyyy more too fast-talking and articulate to be NeFi, it doesn't mean NeFis can't never speak like that but... She's... always like that and it's her job, I wonder if a NeFi could speak like that all the time. Personally I don't get a fellow feeling from her. SiTes have this... groundedness to them, NeFis are more floaty, even with a good use of Te, you can't totally hide your high Fi, it leaks through all the time. She's more dry than floaty. Yes she has a well-developped Fi and Ne but that doesn't make her a NeFi.
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Post by 999greeneyes on Jul 15, 2013 18:04:48 GMT -5
Finally some visual readers response . Well please explain to me what subpolar type is?
Well perhaps she is SiTe. Don't know, if u say she is according to the visual read framework, then she probably is. I didn't even visual read the video to be honest. When I think of Ellen I think of NeFi and the reason for this I have experienced NeFi that looks like her in male an female person. All the NeFi I have been closed too, give me this feeling of them being soul less the same feeling I get from Ellen. I even get this my NeFi closest freind. And I always ask this question why? It wasn't before I learned Archytype energy, that I understood it. Because Fi is my Demon archtype. In other words, I project this demonic energi onto Fi user, because I do not quite own Fi in myself, it being my last function. It being a Demon archytype gives me the feeling of soul less when encountering high Fi user because I don't understand it within myself, therefore cannot understand them. Being a demonic energy gives is it a soul less flare from a Ti dominant user. I'm pretty sure that Erifrail and Alrith being having Fi as there last function will say they experience that Fi user as soul less from there Ti perspective. But anyways over to CT.
Is there any framework I can use to visual read such as what do we look for first, next and last. I already got some of the singal but is there any standardise step? If not that find, but just asking to fine consensus.
If you browse the thread you will find a PDF document that describes the signals for advanced visual reading.
As for Ellen Degeneres, well, at least you agree that she's a "Delta" (Ne/Si + Te/Fi). I know it can be quite confusing because when a type develops his polar functions, he can resemble his polar type a lot. The difficulty is to discern the sublte differences described in the document I talked about.
About the "Demonic" function... we don't use this terminology, we just try to remain close to the visual/concrete signals without overinterpreting the psychology that it would underlie (English is not my native language so don't pay attention to my weird phrasing). I think I understand what you mean by it, do you get the same feeling from high Te users? What about high Fe users? As for your friends, how do you know they're NeFi? According to MBTI I would be typed alternately INTP or INFP, but this system is quite different as you will realize. Some shades of high Ti or high Se users can seem alien/demonic to me but it's not systematic so I would not rely too much on it.