Post by The Doctor on Jun 16, 2014 12:26:16 GMT -5
How anyone is seeing anything other than NiTe (and clear Fi in the thumbnail for the above video) in Nardi is beyond me.
He spends the majority of his time drifting (usually aiming his eyes down and left) as he gathers Ni. He has very clear Se gaze locks and affirmations.
He's a non-stop series of Te nods, solid hand gestures, and verbal assertions pouring out of Ni eye drift and momentary Se gaze locks. His hand gestures are primarily full arm movements, with stiff fingers - anywhere from a karate chop to a claw shape to a fist.
As for his momentary flashes of tertiary Fi, they're obvious. His smiles pull to the center of his face.
Dario is most likely an Enneagram 7. This might be confusing some of you, since most ENTPs are 7's. 7's tend to be much warmer than the stereotypical INTJ 5's that are the majority of the INTJ population. This is a factor in VR that has to be considered and isolated, and almost always causes confusion when an unusual type combination appears.
I've had plenty of conversations with Dario. His focus moves like an Ni lead, centering on solving for the variables rather than the Ne explosion of possibilities. He is also very clearly Te, focusing on how things relate in the big picture before applying the superfluous details.
He's a clear NiTe. There is no getting around it.
Also, 19:07 - 21:02
Last Edit: Jun 16, 2014 12:46:43 GMT -5 by The Doctor
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Post by chaoticbrain on Jun 16, 2014 17:56:11 GMT -5
I think mike is actually the NiTe in that interview, you can tell Dario has a lot more warmth, but also a flat/dispassionate side. NiTe's have a more blunt and quick quality (like mike does).
How anyone is seeing anything other than NiTe (and clear Fi in the thumbnail for the above video) in Nardi is beyond me.
He spends the majority of his time drifting (usually aiming his eyes down and left) as he gathers Ni. He has very clear Se gaze locks and affirmations.
He's a non-stop series of Te nods, solid hand gestures, and verbal assertions pouring out of Ni eye drift and momentary Se gaze locks. His hand gestures are primarily full arm movements, with stiff fingers - anywhere from a karate chop to a claw shape to a fist.
As for his momentary flashes of tertiary Fi, they're obvious. His smiles pull to the center of his face.
Dario is most likely an Enneagram 7. This might be confusing some of you, since most ENTPs are 7's. 7's tend to be much warmer than the stereotypical INTJ 5's that are the majority of the INTJ population. This is a factor in VR that has to be considered and isolated, and almost always causes confusion when an unusual type combination appears.
I've had plenty of conversations with Dario. His focus moves like an Ni lead, centering on solving for the variables rather than the Ne explosion of possibilities. He is also very clearly Te, focusing on how things relate in the big picture before applying the superfluous details.
He's a clear NiTe. There is no getting around it.
Also, 19:07 - 21:02
There isn’t really anything new in any of these videos. All the signals are still the same and still indicate SiFe.
I don’t know what you mean with “Se gaze locks and affirmations”, but there isn’t any “Se lock-on” in the videos if that is what you mean. Having the eyes lock-on to something (as in just looking at something directly), isn’t really a sign of anything. All types can look at something directly and follow it with their eyes if it moves or just stare at it directly if it doesn’t move.
The non-stop series of head nods isn’t a sign of Te. It’s actually just a consequence of his Fe extending most of his movements based on emotions (I typically call this for “Fe Extensions”). This is a very typical signal in Fe users and also has a high level of reliability. Besides Fe extending his nods, in this case it also extends most of his head-shakes and his Pi-swaying. He is pretty much a walking Fe extension in these videos. I’m guessing He was in a good mood when these videos were made, since they come across this strongly.
It’s not easy to see his hand gestures in these videos, but as far as I can tell he has the typical momentum based gestures going (typical for P-leads) and his hands seems relaxed and flexible (Ti hands) even though he doesn’t flex them much in these videos. He could of course be different in real life, but based on the videos I don’t see any signs of Te in his hands/gestures.
His smile doesn’t pull towards the center of the face. You can look at the following pictures. His skin is loose everywhere and move together with his smile (no tension). It doesn’t really matter what his eyebrows are doing since eyebrow movement doesn’t contribute to smile signals. It’s only the muscles around the mouth (including the checks) that really count.
All types can have momentary flashes of snarls that can be misread as signs of Fi. They only count as Fi signals if they are very frequent (and systematically displayed as part of the person’s normal expressions). This is not the case with Dario.
I wouldn’t say that Dario Nardi is an “unusual type combination”. I know a number of SiFe that look exactly like Dario Nardi and they all have exactly the same signals as he does. As such he is a pretty typical SiFe.
CT doesn’t really need to rely on outside models like enneagram to explain variations in types. It’s just a matter of having enough experience with the different type examples, so they won’t seem confusing anymore.
The SiFe types that I know personally also like to solve for the variables. So this seems to be normal in SiFe types (probably because they are Pi-leads). I also see no reason why a SiFe couldn’t focus on big picture thinking before filling in the details. Si in CT is very different from Si in MBTI. In CT, Si isn’t a function that is specifically designed to handle “details” or that would make you prone to care more about details in general. This is probably just a left-over idea that you have taken onboard from MBTI. In general, it’s not a good idea to mix the two systems together like this.
It’s understandable that Dario would be skeptical of video typing since he comes from a personality modeling background (MBTI) where video typing doesn’t work with MBTI types (since the types are subjective and about overall personality). But he really is a SiFe in CT. CT is not a personality model like MBTI is (or tries to be). So it doesn’t matter if he has a flexible personality or not. Flexibility is already an inherent part of CT because CT doesn’t stereotype people to such a degree that they can’t act to some degree like any “type” in MBTI. Being a SiFe doesn’t mean that he is also an ISFJ in MBTI, since the two system are completely independent of each other. As such he can call himself an INTJ as much as he wants, but in CT he is a SiFe.
Last Edit: Jun 17, 2014 8:25:30 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
You're looking at the static shapes and not the muscle tension. That's another mistake commonly made in VR. The subconscious doesn't shape the face. It pulls the muscles in the face.
Take another look at the images you posted and you will see that the tension is in Fi regions. While he has a level and wide smile, the smile tension primarily is in the upper lip and pulling toward the nose in the 'scowl'. Also, while he has narrow eyes when he smiles, his eyebrow tension pulls to the bridge of his nose, completing the Fi 'scowl' pull.
The "innocent eyes" of Si is no more literal than the "scowl smile" of Fi. They're more of a floating effect while looking -at- something. It's similar to the zone out effect of Ni when it is -through- nothing. When Se locks, it's the opposite of Si - intense and focused. In an Ni user, the Se locks are momentary between their Ni drifts.
Dario's genuine warmth is causing confusion with a literal interpretation of "innocent eyes". Watch the video to get an idea of where Mike is on Dario's screen, and you'll have a better idea of when he's Se locked and when he's Ni drifting. Dario rarely looks directly at where Mike is on his monitor for more than a moment, but when he does, it is a locked Se gaze.
Meanwhile, Mike's Ne movements are terribly obvious. His eyes are constantly moving, and when they stop, they have the Si glaze. He's eye centric, and scanning upward more often than not. His Fi smile is also very obvious. Narrow mouth, despite the beard implying otherwise. The pulling is toward the nose. Also, despite the narrow eyes, which are a natural state for Mike and exacerbated by the glasses, he has clear Si glaze (innocent eyes) when looking at Dario's center point on his monitor.
Last Edit: Jun 17, 2014 9:51:44 GMT -5 by The Doctor
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
You're looking at the static shapes and not the muscle tension. That's another mistake commonly made in VR. The subconscious doesn't shape the face. It pulls the muscles in the face.
Take another look at the images you posted and you will see that the tension is in Fi regions. While he has a level and wide smile, the smile tension primarily is in the upper lip and pulling toward the nose in the 'scowl'. Also, while he has narrow eyes when he smiles, his eyebrow tension pulls to the bridge of his nose, completing the Fi 'scowl' pull.
I’m sorry, but you really don’t know what you are talking about. The red circles you added to the pictures don’t have anything that count as “Fi Tension” inside them. The reason why the upper lips are raised higher in the second picture (compared to the first) is because he is tilting his entire head forward. As far as I can tell at this point in time, all people (including Fe users) tend to do this when they tilt their head forward and maintain eye-contact. As such it is not caused by Fi Tension. Also, having a tightly held (stretched) upper lip in general (while smiling) isn’t the same a Fi Tension. It’s just a result of the way the face is built and how the muscles stretch during the smile. Also, the natural fold that is created (from the edge of the mouth to the nose) by smiling doesn’t count for having tension either. Tension is a standing muscle contraction and as such it must work independently of muscle activations for other purposes (like smiling). You can see his relaxed (tension-free) upper lips in the following pictures.
Last Edit: Jun 17, 2014 10:39:04 GMT -5 by TheLogicFan
Back at ya. You were completely wrong about my typing, and you're frequently wrong about other typings. You're wrong about Nardi, and you're falling into the trap of justifying your opinion with your opinion, rather than pulling outside sources to validate and triangulate. Additionally, you don't seem to understand how type actually works in the human mind, and are clinging to over clarified definitions instead of the real time reality of the mind in motion and development. This is a pattern that you repeat right down to focusing on facial features in still images, rather than analyzing them in motion.
I know Nardi, and I know his data. He's not only got volumes of neuroscience evidence to back up his opinions, he's been involved in typology for over 20 years as a professional typologist who has worked with many of the 'big names' in this field like Linda Barrens, Lenore Thompson, and Beebe. He's an NiTe. Outside of the various assessment tools available, the difference between Ne and Ni under neuroscan is very clear, as is the difference between NF and NT. Nardi is also very likely an Enneagram 7. You've made no acknowledgement of Enneatype in your assertions, as few here do. This is further evidence that your perspective is highly insulated and disregards outside influences. That's simply bad science.
Combine all those factors, and your subjective opinion is nearly worthless.
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.