Post by sitbone on Mar 26, 2014 13:15:35 GMT -5
Heron
"actually, i think that the "predatory" thing is more common with Pe leads than Je leads. Talking about bettaz: FeNis have often that mellow appearance, squint eyes, seducing demeanour (Fe level "WTF?")"
The 'predatory' look is vague (I think it's about strong zygomatic tension, and in Fe-leads, the conviction/solidity of their Je adds to the effect). I would use the term to describe Fe-leads like Tom Cruise, Rachel McAdams, Julia Roberts. But I could easily use it to describe some PeTi too (Tom Hardy, Eminem, probably some others that aren't already trying to look bad-ass). Maybe the 'predatory' thing is just Fe in general (louder in the e-lead types). It serves as a contrast to the bashful, innocent 'prey' (lol) look heavy Fi-users emit.
"while Se leads mantain a sharp attitude, with the body wandering around, sharp eyes... and in some occasions they do have strong communicative abilities, i'm thinking about Will Smith for example, his Ti is not always evident as his Fe, and sometimes he also seem to have soft eyes, in the middle of some interstellar firing shoots. And... yes, he is way more energetic than her, but i'm convinced that there are some degrees of relaxation and excitements inside the same type.
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I agree with all of this.
"In that interview you posted, she is quite relaxed at tims, but do see the sharpness in her eyes somehow."
I do, and I think I might see some zone-outs + lock-ons as well, which is why I'm not sold on the FeSi typing.
"And about the scowl thing... that is making me mad, like other signals. While doing the skimming, waching from 15 to 20 or more videos at day i had the possibility to see that many, many, many Ni users do have an Si looking scowl, even having all the other signals at place, and that makes things quite confusing. More often, i saw that in people that i think belongs to the beta quadra: every NiSe signal is there but the scowl is just misleading, and that led me to make a huge amount of mistakes in the past. In people from the gamma quadra, i do see the scowl evidently, in people from the beta quadra i have huge difficulties. So i'm not going to say "that doesn't look like an Si scowl", because you're totally right that her scowling doesn't look like an Ni scowl.
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There are many Ni-users with contradictory scowls. I guess gammas tend to have more intense scowls, especially the e-leads, so beta scowls probably tend to be less clear.
"But anyway, the one you shared me with the timestamp... i think that it is not actually a scowl xD is a thing that i see extremely often in Fe users in general, the eyebrows are actually scrunching upward creating a some sort of "concerned" expression. I even thought that it could be another signal to tell apart Fe users from Fi users. xD"
I think you're right about that scowl. I had the volume really low the first time I watched that, but it happens in conjunction with her pretending to be upset, so more likely a product of Fe, not a reflex from intense perceptual activity (genuine scowl). I've seen a lot of Se/Ni users, without Fe-even (aka gammas, mainly SeFi), make a similar expression with the corners of the eyebrows slanting down in pain. My girlfriend makes this expression all the time and is certified SeFi. But these eyebrows always correspond with an expression of something upsetting or distressing. When she scowls from perceptual activity, it's a clear Ni-scowl.
"By the way, if it becomes difficult to reach consensus on her, i will put her in yellow again. For the moment, what type/s are you thinking about for her, in case?"
I'm not sure exactly what I think. I think SeTi is possible, but FeNi or FeSi seems more likely atm. My understanding of P-functions in VR was rocked pretty hard recently. I'm probably not equipped to say confidently when it's not blatantly obvious. All I can say for sure is that she has strong Fe and leads with an extroverted function.
"actually, i think that the "predatory" thing is more common with Pe leads than Je leads. Talking about bettaz: FeNis have often that mellow appearance, squint eyes, seducing demeanour (Fe level "WTF?")"
The 'predatory' look is vague (I think it's about strong zygomatic tension, and in Fe-leads, the conviction/solidity of their Je adds to the effect). I would use the term to describe Fe-leads like Tom Cruise, Rachel McAdams, Julia Roberts. But I could easily use it to describe some PeTi too (Tom Hardy, Eminem, probably some others that aren't already trying to look bad-ass). Maybe the 'predatory' thing is just Fe in general (louder in the e-lead types). It serves as a contrast to the bashful, innocent 'prey' (lol) look heavy Fi-users emit.
"while Se leads mantain a sharp attitude, with the body wandering around, sharp eyes... and in some occasions they do have strong communicative abilities, i'm thinking about Will Smith for example, his Ti is not always evident as his Fe, and sometimes he also seem to have soft eyes, in the middle of some interstellar firing shoots. And... yes, he is way more energetic than her, but i'm convinced that there are some degrees of relaxation and excitements inside the same type.
"I agree with all of this.
"In that interview you posted, she is quite relaxed at tims, but do see the sharpness in her eyes somehow."
I do, and I think I might see some zone-outs + lock-ons as well, which is why I'm not sold on the FeSi typing.
"And about the scowl thing... that is making me mad, like other signals. While doing the skimming, waching from 15 to 20 or more videos at day i had the possibility to see that many, many, many Ni users do have an Si looking scowl, even having all the other signals at place, and that makes things quite confusing. More often, i saw that in people that i think belongs to the beta quadra: every NiSe signal is there but the scowl is just misleading, and that led me to make a huge amount of mistakes in the past. In people from the gamma quadra, i do see the scowl evidently, in people from the beta quadra i have huge difficulties. So i'm not going to say "that doesn't look like an Si scowl", because you're totally right that her scowling doesn't look like an Ni scowl.
"There are many Ni-users with contradictory scowls. I guess gammas tend to have more intense scowls, especially the e-leads, so beta scowls probably tend to be less clear.
"But anyway, the one you shared me with the timestamp... i think that it is not actually a scowl xD is a thing that i see extremely often in Fe users in general, the eyebrows are actually scrunching upward creating a some sort of "concerned" expression. I even thought that it could be another signal to tell apart Fe users from Fi users. xD"
I think you're right about that scowl. I had the volume really low the first time I watched that, but it happens in conjunction with her pretending to be upset, so more likely a product of Fe, not a reflex from intense perceptual activity (genuine scowl). I've seen a lot of Se/Ni users, without Fe-even (aka gammas, mainly SeFi), make a similar expression with the corners of the eyebrows slanting down in pain. My girlfriend makes this expression all the time and is certified SeFi. But these eyebrows always correspond with an expression of something upsetting or distressing. When she scowls from perceptual activity, it's a clear Ni-scowl.
"By the way, if it becomes difficult to reach consensus on her, i will put her in yellow again. For the moment, what type/s are you thinking about for her, in case?"
I'm not sure exactly what I think. I think SeTi is possible, but FeNi or FeSi seems more likely atm. My understanding of P-functions in VR was rocked pretty hard recently. I'm probably not equipped to say confidently when it's not blatantly obvious. All I can say for sure is that she has strong Fe and leads with an extroverted function.
