Hmmm... clearly a Beta type (Fe warm pushes/light, dexterous wrist movements, Ti meticulous, finger focused puppeteer hands, Ni drifting zone-outs, Se intense eyes with clearly fixed lock-on). He does appear to have an Fi/Te-ish snarly look, but if you check out more of his videos and interviews, this only really comes out when he's exaggerating and trying to make an emotional impact by semi-ironically playing himself up - in the moments when he's more settled and less theatrical, his smile is a coordinated, symmetrical, horizontal move toward the ears which "spreads over" his cheeks rather than being contained/constrained by them (which is how I understand the difference between Fi/Te and Fe/Ti smiles). Here are a couple more videos of him to get a wider picture:
Hammy
Serious
My final vote is (believe it or not) NiFe. In the more serious video, where you get a better sense of his ordinary rhythm and mode of communication, his eyes are clearly dominant and unchanging over his mouth as he talks. He also displays a viscous, eye-led "drift", which is especially notable because it also happens in micro form (check out 01:05-01:06 for a particularly nice example, you may want to watch for a few seconds before and after that to catch it in context). Compare him to FeNi Neil DeGrasse Tyson:
and you'll see the difference between the "whole face" animatedness and the theatrical (read: calculated for impact) movement and articulation of an Fe-dom vs the hypnotic, viscous, almost lazy drift of an Ni-dom. I'm inclined to say his over the top theatricality is mainly a part of his comedic act; a part of himself which isn't... fake or untrue, exactly, but an exaggerated facet he likes to play up for his amusement, like acting out a character. It's a sort of therapy, a way to release your uninhibited side in a way that's both socially acceptable and heads off its release in more self-destructive ways (though to others, it looks like the person is disregarding social rules/norms, it's actually playing to higher rules of social conduct that some people might not be aware of). I actually wonder if ironic self-exaggeration is a common FeNi/NiFe thing; perhaps I'll make a thread...
Hmmm... clearly a Beta type (Fe warm pushes/light, dexterous wrist movements, Ti meticulous, finger focused puppeteer hands, Ni drifting zone-outs, Se intense eyes with clearly fixed lock-on). He does appear to have an Fi/Te-ish snarly look, but if you check out more of his videos and interviews, this only really comes out when he's exaggerating and trying to make an emotional impact by semi-ironically playing himself up - in the moments when he's more settled and less theatrical, his smile is a coordinated, symmetrical, horizontal move toward the ears which "spreads over" his cheeks rather than being contained/constrained by them (which is how I understand the difference between Fi/Te and Fe/Ti smiles). Here are a couple more videos of him to get a wider picture:
Hammy
Serious
My final vote is (believe it or not) NiFe. In the more serious video, where you get a better sense of his ordinary rhythm and mode of communication, his eyes are clearly dominant and unchanging over his mouth as he talks. He also displays a viscous, eye-led "drift", which is especially notable because it also happens in micro form (check out 01:05-01:06 for a particularly nice example, you may want to watch for a few seconds before and after that to catch it in context). Compare him to FeNi Neil DeGrasse Tyson:
and you'll see the difference between the "whole face" animatedness and the theatrical (read: calculated for impact) movement and articulation of an Fe-dom vs the hypnotic, viscous, almost lazy drift of an Ni-dom. I'm inclined to say his over the top theatricality is mainly a part of his comedic act; a part of himself which isn't... fake or untrue, exactly, but an exaggerated facet he likes to play up for his amusement, like acting out a character. It's a sort of therapy, a way to release your uninhibited side in a way that's both socially acceptable and heads off its release in more self-destructive ways (though to others, it looks like the person is disregarding social rules/norms, it's actually playing to higher rules of social conduct that some people might not be aware of). I actually wonder if ironic self-exaggeration is a common FeNi/NiFe thing; perhaps I'll make a thread...
In this video, there are definitely places where Tyson's eyes dart around alot. Isn't that an Pe thing?
I didn't saw this thread before. For who said NiFe in this particular case i suggest to run and revise his knowledge of visual cues, because his Fi is so evident that CANNOT be mistaken for Fe, particularly Fe lead or support. D:
Anyway, he's in the dear old official list for NeFi, and that's why i put him in the board, and i totally agree.
I think there's no reason why is should write why he is a Pe lead, i think it is quite obvious for everyone.
The shape of his eyebrows looks quite SeNi in its structure, but we can see many SiNe signals. I will put just a few timestamps. At 2:42 - 2:50 Si gentle brushing. 4:48, 6:14 7:28 Si scowl. 7:05 that's intesting, because he starts with an Si scowl, and then at 7:10 he raises his eyebrows upward scrunching them against his front, mantaining that "panicked" expression while having a Te-attack (he always has one), and this is one of the most reliable signals since it is peculiar for the delta quadra. And then the most phisiognomical ones like the Ne soft lower-eyelid
jason13 glad that you didn't got influenced by the first opinions in this post
peppergirl ups... i wrote low instead of lower xD Basically is the "naive eye" thing, but lately i have some kind of inner refusal to write this term, because it can be easily mistaken and in the forum we saw too many times people who write "But this person doesn't have naive eyes" or "i don't have naive eyes!", and i think it is also true in my case, but not only in mine, but the vast majority of Ne users (you included for example), while the adjective "soft" is more objective and clear, in my opinion.
Post by peppergirl on Jan 30, 2014 15:09:00 GMT -5
Heron Yeah, naive is not really a neutral term and can be misinterpreted, soft is probably a better description if we want to be more general. Another term that fits well is "casual".
EDIT: hmmm... it seems some high Ni users can have soft eyes too (Ellen Page) while still penetrative (but not in her pics). Soft doesn't convey the alertness of Ne eyes, neither does casual... So yeah, I can't think of an alternate term for naive that doesn't evoke childishness or "stupidity", I guess it depends on how you interpret naΓ―ve.
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Post by chaoticbrain on Jan 31, 2014 11:38:14 GMT -5
Soft might be slightly more accurate, but I think theres a number of Ne users like Tessa violet, or Mathew gray gubler for example who's eyes seem naΓ―ve but not soft to me. I also kind of perceive more warm types of people as having soft eyes. Like in the FeNi board I think a lot of them Neil Tyson, che Guevara, Seu Jorge, they have soft eyes to me.
His attitude seems very NeFi to me. His verbal topics ( like jumping from one metaphor to an other ) is just how a Ne mind should work. Then his general body language is like an elastic tree who came to life haha...
Maybe Russell is one of those types that you have to see the whole picture of instead specific signals... My guess would be NeFi
Not sure how people are missing this, other than he's eccentric, which isn't normally associated with TeNi. His arms are constantly in Te mode - stiff hands and fingers chopping from the elbows. He is incapable of anything but an Fi smile, but it's the 'loud' Fi smile of an Fi Tertiary/Inferior. His eye locks and eyebrow movements are entirely Se. When his eyes drift, it's almost always to the side and down into a zone out. Te is clearly his primary signal generator, with Se/Ni a close second.
He is far too well articulated and gesticulated to be an SeFi, and the Ne/Si signals are just not there. He's on a mission - Je, and when he goes on tangents, he's got them planned out from the start. While he seems spontaneous, he actually recycles his comments and arguments frequently. He's meticulous and dismantles opposition with Te efficiency, while attacking from Ni left field. Watching him debate people is like watching a good attorney in a court room. Same style of debate.
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