"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
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Sarah SilvermanFeb 1, 2014 6:49:14 GMT -5 by Deletedvia mobile
i think?... if that makes any sense (warranted you may very well be correct... but only if I have been very wrong about Fe for the entire time I've been on the forum... which I do admit is a possibility lol.. its happened more than once!!)
literally 2 seconds after your picture she has a completely different smile...
and then this...
annnnnnnnd its gone...
please anyone feel free to chime in if this is an incorrect read...
actually its kind of funny but the still images at the beginning of the movies are crystal clear to me too
1st video: Si scowl/brow/eyebrows whatever 2nd video: Fe Wide inter/extra-Personal (whichever is the opposite of personal lol) Smile 3rd video: Ti disengage down
Quick question, if her smile "clashing" with the tension in her cheeks?
I was not even checking for this because I thought how fast her cheeks go from smile to neutral was enough to say Fe/Ti BUT now if Sarah is Fi/Te...then I am never using the "smile fading quickly" signal ever again to be the stand alone signal for Fe/Ti. Actually, I didnt review her vid long to assess her hands yet, nor did I take account her voice.
I got to watch more Fe vids to see just exactly what he "clash" against the cheeks are, and how subtle it is. I remember hearing that Fe cheeks fill up, while Fi cheeks seem to contain/restrict the smile. I think I might see this in Sarah, that clash. I don't really see snarls....but if that clash is there, then that will be the greatest signal right?
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
1. Fe Smile 2. Ti Disengage Down 3. Ti Meticulous Hands (THINK i saw this when i watched just a moment ago 50% certain haha) 4. Fe Swelling Speech
Admittedly 1&4 are just flat out disagreements with you chaoticbrain but I just dont know what else to say...
Also to say that being blunt or looking disgusted is a certain indicator of Fi would be a bit of a stretch imo. Or at least if I thought someone has Fe/Ti indicators it wouldn't be enough to sway my opinion to Fi... Just saying
It will be interesting to see where this one ends up!
feel free to stand by on whether this is Fe or Fi... it appears I may have a conceptual misunderstanding of the two... photos in the middle are me, photo on the right is Fe user... @morsecode is citing photo on the left as a clear case of Fi... I tend to think she knows her shit sooooo... im gonna have to say i really dont get it.
might be worth noting that the areas i have circled are the areas I have been putting my gaze to try and identify "tension" and whether or not a smile "goes up to the eyes". I'm curious if other folks on this forum are doing the same or if they are looking at different areas entirely...
quoting @emingtown "morsecode is citing photo on the left as a clear case of Fi... "
I didn't say that. I was talking about the usual FiSe FACE SHAPE (as an archetype), maybe I was not clear, or you read that too quickly or both. I was not focusing on Fi-Fe function. Things are not that easy/simple. I was just pointing out a similarity in some expressions peculiar to FiSes, like the 'nihnhinhi face' (it's in an old thread). I was not creating a new signal modality, an indiator for future typings. Please don't get me wrong. We can't type with 100% accuracy just from photos (especially hierarchy of functions). It's not so simple. CT VR can only be done with property when in action, movement, at least imo.
also i just found out disengage down is a Ji indicator not a Ti indicator... so unless it is paired with emotional neutralization... which in Sarah Silvermans case I guess that it is... although I will go back and look to be sure... its probably Fi disengage down...
which brings me to the final point... there is apparently now also such a thing as an Fi pause...
seriously.... lately its like there might as well be no signals that can separate the functions as far as I am concerned... and frankly I'm becoming more than a little discouraged by this. Unless this and several other issues can be more concisely cleared up... I'm probably going to stop participating in the forum and wait for the book to come out before I decide whether I think this theory has actual merit.
Its beginning to look more and more to me like the SPECIFICS are getting in the way of the theory... which is a problem because the specifics are the thing that make up the theory...
Admittedly I should probably spend a lot more time looking at specific cases to try and see the subtle differences, but knowing when to ignore things that I thought were clear indicators in favor of subtle differences is a tough pill to swallow...