Does this video reveal anything more? She seems that she is darting her eyes a lot more than I used to see, so P-lead is becoming more likely. I also see the Ti neutralization of her smile...or do I?
Her eyes, still seem naive to me though (like relaxed) and do seem to feather around...could she be NeTi instead of SeTi?
I need to watch more NeTi vids...
Edit: I watched more NeTi vids and rewatched the vid where sitbone saw her Ne eye toggling and I am really thinking NeTi is her type now.
Or back to NeFi again...I need to re-check her smiles and cheeks.
Last Edit: Dec 30, 2013 20:46:30 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
Re-checked one of her big smiles on the video where she talks about being a vegetarian, at 8:39 min, and it seemed to neutralize quickly off her face. So I am leaning towards NeTi more than previously thought NeFi or SeTi or TiSe....
If other people see NeTi in her, I would be so excited because it is my first time typing an NeTi.
Last Edit: Dec 30, 2013 20:43:38 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
Oh, gosh. I am spending new years second guessing myself. Lol. I now see Fi tension as she speaks...so back to NeFi...
I actually really need to learn what Ti neutralizations look like, like how fast do Fe smiles disappear vs. Fi smiles disappear. Because I am using it heavily as a cue when i don't really know what it looks like...haha.
Last Edit: Dec 31, 2013 21:17:48 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
I'm jumping in late here. Sorry if I'm missing some of the details of the conversation..... Has anyone considered Fe as her primary function? I'm looking at her body language - warm pushes throughout her interviews, warm head nods. The rhythm of her speech seems very Fe (varying in emphasis and non-monotonous). Her smiles are hard to read at times, but overall I see a pattern of a wide broad smiles (seems especially this way if you google 'kristen bell smile pictures'.) I definetly agree with Ne/Si eyes. The reason I'd choose an Fe lead is her body posture and eye contact in interviews. Imo, the body and head seem to work in a unified posture, the body posture is set followed by the eyes (at least that's what I'm seeing). She also seems to be a very 'feeling oriented' person, but thats not really visual reading, more of an opinion.
I would type her as FeSi, If I'm missing something and the Je lead is not correct, I would definetly type her as NeTi.
I'm jumping in late here. Sorry if I'm missing some of the details of the conversation..... Has anyone considered Fe as her primary function? I'm looking at her body language - warm pushes throughout her interviews, warm head nods. The rhythm of her speech seems very Fe (varying in emphasis and non-monotonous). Her smiles are hard to read at times, but overall I see a pattern of a wide broad smiles (seems especially this way if you google 'kristen bell smile pictures'.) I definetly agree with Ne/Si eyes. The reason I'd choose an Fe lead is her body posture and eye contact in interviews. Imo, the body and head seem to work in a unified posture, the body posture is set followed by the eyes (at least that's what I'm seeing). She also seems to be a very 'feeling oriented' person, but thats not really visual reading, more of an opinion.
I would type her as FeSi, If I'm missing something and the Je lead is not correct, I would definetly type her as NeTi.
Thanks so much for dropping by with your observations! She does nod her head a lot, but because I am a novice, I thought these were Te head nods. And I keep thinking I see Fi tension in her cheeks, but she has such prominent cheekbones, so its hard to really say. But if I go back to what I initially saw, which was Ti soft wrists when she talks with her hands (with the occasional Fe exacting hand movement), then I really need to stick with Fe/Ti for now. I actually think she is rigid most of the time like a J-lead too, but then I try to see if her eyes lead her face and if her smiles reach her eyes and is coordinated with her mouth and I end up confused. But atleast now I feel better about her being Fe/Ti and Ne/Si.
Edit: I also realize I have a cousin who typed as ESFJ (with MBTI...but that really might not be her cognitive type) whose body language and energy level (can go from extremely serious to very zany) can remind me of Kristen Bell. I am trying to watch vids of FeSi's (Emma Watson, Rachel Mcadams) and NeTi's to try to see what she might be and I actually see FeSi working, too. But I am torn between the two types. Gonna watch more NeTi's (like Anne Hathaway interviews). I feel like if I know what Kristen is, then I will also know what my cousin is.
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
I re-watched the very 1st video I posted, where Kristen seems the most rigid in posture like a J-lead, but I still wonder if her eyes seem to steer her face like a P-lead such as within the first 16 seconds.... Or at least I think I do...I really wish I had more practice with the eye vs face centric stuff. I thought I saw the difference, but sometimes I get completely lost and see both signs in the same person. If anyone has pointers, I would love to hear it.
Anyways, but because her posture is so rigid in that video, does that show more of how she is a J-lead? Some other vids of her, like younger vids, show her sort of loosening up...but I wonder if she really is a P-lead. Anne Hathaway's (NeTi) interview, for instance, seemed more easier to spot that she was eye-centric (and she had less of a rigid posture), while it was much harder for me to spot P-lead signs in Kristen like everyone else has seen so far...I'm going crazy now...
But I was surprised to notice that their voices sounded a lot alike, in tone and in speed. Because of that alone, I am leaning more towards NeTi again with a lot of Fe, (alternative being FeSi, if it turns out she is a J-lead) or oh no...could she be SiFe?!
I don't even know what SiFe's would look like. lol. I seriously am gonna start watching vids now of SiFe's.
I have several people IRL who I am interested in typing, but they also seem to hover between J and P and I just gotta know what is what for my own sanity. I think I will be researching the forum vigorously again for more information about J vs P in the days to come.
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
Just for my own sake, I re-posted this from the database of "advanced signals/cues"
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
Hurray! I found an Si-scowl! She has definitely got to be Ne/Si now. (The gif might be too small to see it clearly, but the video is good. I already marked it to play from the exact moment.)
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
I remember seeing an Si scowl in the video sitbone posted (why I thought she is Ne/Si), but I can't remember where.
Oh, you are right. I re-watched it and saw it.
After our initial deductions of NeFi, there were also guesses of SeTi, TiSe and just PeTi...so I have been trying to re-evaluate everything.
We also have a guess of FeSi too. And I just went ahead and threw in SiFe.
I really think she is an Fe/Ti user now...but trying to find out her function order is so challenging.
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
Okay, I am gonna agree with harman for now, in saying she is FeSi. I'm watching more and more vids and seeing her eyes smile when she smiles like a J-lead. And sometimes I do see that Fe-lead anger look in her and many Fe-lead exacting hand movements and head nods. And if she is not rigid like a J-lead and using her whole body and face to make her point like a J-lead, then I don't know what is what anymore...especially in a video with her on The View with Dax Shepard.
From that article I posted, it seems her "Fe push" doesn't come out of Ne-excited energy. She has a lot of "Fe push" to her words and it comes out even when she seems bored, like in the 1st video I posted when she talks about being Princess Anna. She speaks so much like a J-lead in that I feel there is a sense that she really stands behind her words and I feel pressed to comply with whatever she says. lol.
So Kristen Bell, an FeSi, is my vote tonight. haha. I hope I don't change my mind tomorrow, but for sure, I probably will try to watch more vids and research more again.
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
I'm actually also starting to lean towards Fe lead now. But there aren't enough signals for her to possibly be a Si/Ne user. So she can only be FeNi. Fe leads can really be tricky sometimes because their energy can go from really strong to not there at all. So it's easy to become confused and think they are a different type. I think that may be part of the reason we had so much trouble typing her correctly.
This video show her Fe very well.
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I'm seeing enough Si and Ne signals (Si brow furrow, Ne gentle brushing eyes) to sell me. Looks, sounds, and interacts as I'd expect from a judgment lead imo (face/eyes move as one, quick to add her input to everything).
Also, similar to what someone above said, the Ne excitment seems to come out from beneath the Fe interaction.
Seeing some Ti emotion neutralization.
At a minimum I'd say Alpha, but would also say FeSi looks pretty convincing.
Disclaimer: I have a tendancy to see my own functions in others... Lol (soooo my readings yada yada grain of salt yada yada)
Of all the celebrities and people I have tried to type (which were few), I have never seemed to type an Ne/Si for myself, so I don't have much experience with Ne. I've looked over all the CT vids, but it is different and more daunting when there is a fresh face in front of me.
But for the first time, Kristen Bell's eyes seem to define or even epitomize what I would think naive eyes are. They do look "relax" in their sockets. Even though when I first heard this definition, I was so confused about this signal. But looking at her eyes, I really wondered if this was the "naive" eyes that everyone talks about.
I got confused by what I thought was Se lock-ons and Ni-side drifts. But looking at her eyes again, there doesn't seem to be a bulge to it, not even on the lower part of the eye like an Ni eye would have and her eyes don't pierce me the way I thought Ni/Se eyes pierce me.
On the "artivist video" she did what someone called the signature Ne toggle. It was very tiny fast motions back and forth. It looked glitchy like a computer. I had never seen this little signal before in any of my vids or other beta and gamma vids. So I was like "aha, so this is what an Ne eye toggle is!" (I mean I do see Se user's toggling, but it is mild and not as quick)
For more information about Ne eye toggles, see the first page of this thread between the conversation between chaoticbrain and sitbone. And read CT's profile page about Ne: cognitivetype.com/profiles/ne.html
which states Ne users will have:
"Fluid Eye-Toggling: Because of the way Ne-Si work via deliberately piecing together their worldview one association at a time into that tapestry, data enters disjointed and is then played around with by Ne and compared against other data that resembles it. When you consider that cross-contextualizing data in this manner is what causes the eyes to toggle, you begin to see why Ne would toggle more than Se due to the need to proactively connect all of these disconnected points of data. The mind of the Ne/Si is constantly proactively synthesizing its perception and their implications --- which are not already connected via Ni --- and this activity, which happens in realtime, causes the eyes to toggle continually. "
By contrast, here is the Se eye toggle. I find that Se eye toggles seem slower and not as tiny as Ne toggles.
Here is the reply by sitbone on her "artivist video":
"When her eyes leave the interviewer to explore, they gently flutter around making loose contact with the environment (Ne), rather than sharply darting and making extended direct contact with what they're seeing, aka locking-on (Se). She also does the signature Ne rapid toggling (4:22) at times when she side-drifts. The position of her eyes in their sockets is also a tell. They look relaxed and nestled within their sockets (Ne/Si), rather than pushed forward with the eyelids peeled around them (Se). There's no bulge to her eyes, they're comfortably sitting back in her head."
So I'm still for FeSi...until I understand otherwise.
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ