But at that time i didn't said my opinion, so: I do see Fi, but i have to say that i don't see any evident trace of Ne/Si, instead i see a lot of Ni. My impression? I don't know, i see more Se/Ni than anything else, i think i will tipe him with a very unpopular NiTe (if he really is, he's a very peculiar kind, he's kinda seelie unlike the majority of NiTes). --- edit: he reminds me somehow of Franco Battiato, NiTe italian singer:
I'm certain of Ni/Se usage, and he's very heavy on Ni - his eyes are perputualy in zoning out state.
I'm not quite sure of his J functions yet, but I'm leaning moar towards Ti/Fe usage. I'm getting a deep beta vibe from him. I'd type him as TiNi (that is TiSe - Ni-heavy). The only alternate tyoe would be NiTe imo.
PS: very controverisal! xD he was typed as NeFi in the previous thread about him, and in this thread as NiTe and TiSe. 3 different quadras. Burton, what's the matter with ya, pal... like what are the ingredients of Tim's breakfast, I wonder...
I'd go with NiTe, as Ni lead is obvious, and he gives off a lot of Fi-snarls.
mystery, what are the Pi-lead signals in him that seem obvious to you? if you don't mind sharing, so we can reach a consensus. I'm having a hard time to see the Pi-lead viscous swaying in him, his energy seems more bubbly, like that we find in Pe-leads and in some animated and enthusiastic Pe-supports.
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I think I have to dissagree with the Ni lead. Imo he has the 'loose, fluid body swaying', 'bubbling momentum/excitation' and eye toggling of a Ne lead. I was thinking NeFi, but......
It doesn't fit..... His smiles don't really look like snarls to me
Here is a Gif from
Zygomaticus Major at work, with no clash in pre-existing tension above the smile (he's deadpan before smiling). His smiles are broad Fe smiles Imo.
Also there are plenty of elongated, emotionally charged body movements and warm pushes.
yes, I see what you mean. I've been also sold in that he uses Ti, for the reasons you mentioned - i see the same. His Pe is upper process, which can be seen in his Pe momentum. Although his Pe momentum is heavy, he's still guarded and his energy recedes back to himself like a proper Ji-lead. Also, his eyes and eyebrows don't match the NeTi eyes and eyebrows, they match what we expect from an Ni/Se user. If he were a Pe-lead, it would be SeTi imo. I'm still for TiSe (Ni-heavy, with bubbly Pe).
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I see what you mean by the eyes, looking back at the vids they do seem kind of Se/Ni, I'm a bit confused. I'm having real trouble seeing the J lead though, he seems so disjointed and animated, lots of fluid body movements. I don't really see a 'unified posture'. His head seems to dart around following his eyes. Gonna have to watch these vids a few more times......
I think I'm leaning back towards Ne/Si. Looking at this video I see a lot of what looks like Si scowls: a scowl contracting towards the center with the outer edges of the brow drooping over the outer edges of the eyes.
I'm leaning back to NeTi for now, I know I'm not very experienced at this, but I really can't see the Ji lead. Also, looking at the Larin series for NeTi, burton seems very simmilar to Lawrence Krauss in his mannerisms and signals, he doesn't seem to match the TiSes like say Tony Hawk.
Post by TheLogicFan on Jan 10, 2014 23:06:27 GMT -5
Iβm pretty sure Tim Burton has Asperger's. As such we should probably be skeptical about some of the signals he is displaying (and not displaying). He seems to be a Ni/Se user, but anything more than that is hard to say.
Iβm pretty sure Tim Burton has Asperger's. As such we should probably be skeptical about some of the signals he is displaying (and not displaying). He seems to be a Ni/Se user, but anything more than that is hard to say.
What is it about Asperger's that makes the signals different or harder to read?
still skeptical about Ni/Se
Been scowl hunting........
scowl contracting towards the center with the outer edges of the brow drooping over the outer edges of the eyes? or manic scowl with edges up? Imo Ne/Si scowl
Hm... I had never thought about the possibility of him having Asperger syndrome. But anyways, if that's the case, we have already typed Aspergers here before without particular difficulty... Mark Zuckerberg comes to mind now. And some claim Steve Jobs was in the spectrum.
I'm pretty confident Tim Burton is a beta, all functions are clear to me atm. and I'm really leaning towards TiSe rather than SeTi.
Trying to land on someone's CT by finding people of CTs that seem 'similar' to the person being typed is extremely dangerous imo
Agreed. I should probably leave comments like that out and be as objective as possible with visual signals. Having said that, regardless of similarities, and being as objective as I can be, I still dissaggree with TiSe
His eye contact with interviewers lacks the penetrative lock on stare (Se) imo. The eyes remain well within their sockets and 'naive'. The most objective signal I can find in support of Ne/Si are the scowls - that is the lack of 'manic scowels' and the presence of 'Si' scowls.
Every scowl I pause on has the Si pattern.
As for Ji lead vs Pe lead. I can understand trying to be entertaining and display a Pe front. Imo there's nothing unentertianing about Ji . I think the consistent Pe momentum builds, fluid body movments, lack of unified posture, eyes leading (and the rest following) over a few decades of interviews indicates a genuine Pe lead, rather than a consistent Pe front from a secondary position. But, i'm far less experienced than anyone else here and definetly no expert.
Anyway, I'm gonna go against the expert opinions here and stick with NeTi for now
His perception functions are pretty clear imo. I think he also has rigidity and receding energy. Even when quickly move around there's a rigidity to him. His smile is also Fe-polar I believe ? It kind of has the "monkey" look that a lot of Ti-leads have.
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