His smile is also Fe-polar I believe ? It kind of has the "monkey" look that a lot of Ti-leads have.
Yes, damn, YEEES. You convinced me. I think that now i'm for TiSe. And that's quite funny since the mbti community agrees about him being INFP, while socionics says IEI or IEE... they are kinda confused.
Find below: Fe polar smile + Pe perk-up. I've met many TiSes that display this combo exactly the way Burton shows below. TiSe Andrew Lloyd Webber also taught us that those cheeks are not the same as Fi-tension - there's no use of the elevator-depressor anguli, even if they "seem" tensioned at a quick glance.
chaoticbrain, thank you for the explaination and the examples. I must admit it is still a bit unclear, because this signal seems a bit subjective to me (I cannot see it in Sally Hawkins picture, for example). I also wonder : to identify a Fe polar smile, what do we look for in priority? The smile that doesn't go up high in itself, or the evocation of a monkey smile?
Do the brows not droop at the sides? How is this a Se/Ni scowl? And the ones already posted. Chaoticbrain, that scowl still looks Si to me, can you show me an example of a Se/Ni scowl without hair around the eyes?
harman well, you posted a lot of photos with him having that expression. If you pay attention, that isn't actually a scowl, the center, nor the sides of his eyebrows doesn't fall over the eyes, instead he's scrunching upwardly, that is actually the opposite of a scowl. Yes, this expression is more common with Ne users (Jeff Buckley to say one), but also some Se/Fi users displayed something similar, that pained looking expression. The ones that come up in my mind now: Cate Blanchett, Michael Gira, Tony Hawk, Christian Bale. And, i suggest you one thing everyone did by itself (and sometimes continues to do) is that: don't stick with only one signal, because that makes you only extremely confused. Even if you see Si scowling in him, all the other signals present the NiSe quality, his zooning out is evident as the upper eyelid that covers the eye. Here's some photo where he's more scowly (and damn, is very tricky to find a picture where's actually scowling)
Thanks for the pics Heron. I agree, the sides of the eyes don't look like they are going down, but they don't look like they are going up either, the expression looks look kind of deadpan to me, although there is a bit of scrunching between the eyes in a few of them. Point taken about my last pic, here's one from the first vid at 1:49
Fit the criteria? He seems to scowl a lot in the first vid - check 1:37, 1:49, 3:25.
And, i suggest you one thing everyone did by itself (and sometimes continues to do) is that: don't stick with only one signal, because that makes you only extremely confused.
Yep, probably spending too much time on one signal. And yes this is definetly a confusing process for me! I see the lowered upper eyelids and I think, ok that's Ni. But then I look at Lawrence Krauss and he has lowered upper eyelids as well, so I think there must be more to the signal than that. Are the eyes naive or intense/hypnotic? When I look at Tim Burton while he's listening to a question his eyes seem 'to rest gently in his sockets' rather than come forward in their sockets (like Topher grace or especially Brendan Fraser), and he blinks constantly, so I think Si. BUT, he does these perk-ups where his eye-brows fly up and his eyes are wide (like at 1:48 in first vid) so I think - that's Se! But on closer inspection I'm not convinced his eyes are coming forward out of their sockets during these 'perk ups' and in the example at 1:48 he's parodying the 'weird kid' who likes monster movies so I'm thinking Ne.
I look at the larin series of TiSe and I see the meticulous hands they display and I think, yes, that looks like Burton. But these are Fe signals, something both NeTis and TiSes share. Burtons body language and hands have this crazy, fluid, out of sync nature (the eyes, the head, the body, all have a direction of their own at times). His eyes dart in all directions. To me it seems like his head nods often beat to a different rhythm to the rest of him. I don't see these fluid, out of sync signals, and consistent 'bubbling up' of energy in the TiSe vids in the Larin series. Don't get me wrong, I can't say no TiSes do this, just that I can't see it in the videos posted in 'clear examples of TiSe'. I do see these signals in the examples of NeTi, which is why I lean in this direction.
The other signal I notice in Tim Burton is his eye centric nature. His eyes move, his head follows. I've looked at this over and over, I'm pretty confident in my choice. But who knows, maybe I'm looking wrong?
I think I'll revisit Tim Burton down the track after studying some more types. Maybe I'll come to see what everyone else seems to see so easily.