Seeing as how we're typing deities by pictures, I assume that it's appropriate to do the same for historical figures. I have long wondered what the philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche's type was. Looking around, I see he has generally been typed as an INTJ (because all tortured geniuses have to be INTJ's...). From reading his books, I am skeptical about him having Te > Fi. His writing style and content leads me to believe that he is an Fi-lead. Here are some pictures:
His eyes appear to be Ni/Se. I'm not sure if there's anything else that I can gauge from looking at pictures.
In the second picture, isn't the tension around his mouth related to Fe anger/assertiveness? (I'm not sure I really understood this concept of assertivenss, so I'm just suggesting).
sitbone, Thank you! His tension is similar to Rebecca Black's tension, indeed. And from the pictures you posted, the difference is pretty clear: Fi tension = "disdainful" expression / Fe tension = anger
Interesting... I would have never thought that I looked like him.
The reason that I thought he was Fi > Ti is because, in his writings, he is always making judgments that are ethical/moral in nature. A good example is his critique of Christianity. He didn't try to disprove Christianity through logical deduction or empiricism like Dawkins or Hitchens, but instead critiqued it on moral grounds. Also, he was a champion of individualism and subjectivity. In fact, I can't think of anyone who fits the term "the Radical Individualist" better than Nietzsche. One more thing... I think that his writings are also a good example of how Fi is a rational function. Even though he is preoccupied with feeling and ethics, there is undeniably a very strong deductive process at work. It seems very different from what is generally considered rationality, but there does seem to be some sort of rationale at work. It certainly seems rational (at least it does to me). I have noticed this same type of "ethical deduction" in works by other authors, most notably (or most recently... I have a bad memory) Victor Hugo's Les Miserables.
He certainly looks like an Si/Ne user in those photos. My hypothesis, then, is that he is an FiSe. I don't know if you can tell anything more than quadra from photos, so that hypothesis might go untested.
jason13 mmh... you know, making comments of a moral nature is not prerogative of Fx leads. Every type can make ethical judgements, critiques of a moral nature, instead of making more empirical ones. The first example that comes in my mind is about Trent Reznor, who's NiTe, that once criticized another musician "Chris Cornell" in this way: "I really have no personal issue with Chris at all. The thing I said on Twitter… it goes deeper than what have may appeared on the surface. We were on [Interscope]. And I have had Jimmy Iovine, the president of that label, come up to me on every record from With Teeth onwards saying I should do some sort of urban thing — it was Timbaland for a while, then it was Pharrell for a while — because ’that’s how you sell records.’ The idea seemed so preposterous and insulting.
I’m not talking about ’let’s go make a record with Dr. Dre,’ because that would be kind of cool. What he’s talking about is making your record sound like what’s on the radio, whether it’s appropriate or not. And that’s what Chris did. I think that when somebody who is respected like he is goes that route, it sends the message that it’s OK to give up any kind of core values you had to be the fashion of the moment. I don’t think that’s OK. I think it’s harmful. If I have one major fight in the world of the music business, it’s trying to keep art first and commerce second.”
That is a critique of moral nature, there is no empiricism in it. And anyway,there is that thing: when you're making a rational judgment, if you swim around the "why" you're doing that, you will find that probably what started that was an ethical idea or critique in turn. Is a sort of box match: T and F punch each others back and forth, constantly (and is great when you see that they are actually working together ). I think i can find many other examples around the types that can show what i mean. For example...
I have noticed this same type of "ethical deduction" in works by other authors, most notably (or most recently... I have a bad memory) Victor Hugo's Les Miserables.
Ehehe, he has been typed TeNi, is even on the board.
But anyway, yesterday i agreed with @morsecode when she said that he could possibly be an NiTe, but this morning i started to think about some visual cues that it makes me think that the polar type (SeFi) could probably make moaar sense. In many photos we can see that his eyes are very piercy and penetrative, he also presents the "Manic Scowl" that inside the gamma quadra is the distinctive signal of SeTi and TeNi.
In the third picture up here he even reminds me of Freud (SeFi) somehow. While he looks more Ni in this one. Even if i don't find him extremely "deadpan", there is still a sort of lingering "electric current" inside his eyes, not many NiTes have that (maybe the only exception is Lovecraft).
So, my opinion about him: i don't want to rule out completely NiTe as a possibility, but for the moment i'm finding SeFi (alt. TeNi) more likely. But anyway, most of the times is just impossible to type people only with photos xD so is great that we found out that he was a gamma anyway. :3
Hmmmm. In the photos Heron posted, i'm feeling a sort of 'solidity' in Nietzsche that makes me think Je-lead is more probable than Pi-lead. So, I'm for TeNi now.
His Se seemed heavy from the pics, maybe that's why Se-lead crossed your mind, heron. Well, his solidity makes it hard for me to think of Pe-lead for him... But it's hard to say for sure... those pics were not taken in spontaneous occasions, it seems... which makes things more difficult.. If he was in a less programed context, in a swimming pool holding a glass of juice or caipirinha, the level of his Pe would maybe be easier for me to detect with more accuracy. All that being said now, I'd say TeNi (alt. NiTe) ^^ I think Freud's eyes possess a much stronger Se quality (Freud's eyes are very very VERY locked-on ). Also the eyebrows, Freud's eyebrows match more Se eyebrows imo, while Nietzsche's eyebrows remind of some TeNis, like TeNi Morrissey for example.
EYEBROWS (and moar - not only the eyebrows I'm noticing now - some other features too. People of the world, can you see what I mean with 'solidity' in the pics below? I think these pics below portray that solidity ^^)
@morsecode oh... yes! I didn't payed much attention to his solidity, even if is something that i noticed in the same exact photo you reposted! And.. i somehow ignored that in this photo he's extremely TeNi (i payed more attention to the "manic" expression than anything else).
If you compare him to others in the TeNi board you can understand what i mean. Particularly Donald Sutherland, Tim Russert, Michael Shannon, Kenneth Mcmillan, Mila Kunis and so on... he has lots of buddies in that board.
And now that you make me think about it, your arguments about his solidity make pretty much sense. Male SeFis doesn't give the impression of being heavy, squared, or even severe like male TeNis pass out, they look more "free", dynamic and light, even if they can look even more menacing. Just think about Filippo Timi over there...
The two are very similar, they have some sort of "menacing" quality and sharpness to them, but Timi doesn't look rigid (i mean, in video he's extremely fluid but is noticeable even in photos), and Nichey does.
So, yeah, i think that TeNi is probably the most possibile hypothesis anyway. --- edit: why everytime i search nietzsche in google images i find naked women?