"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
I posted this in the Fe smile section, but I wanted to write it here too:
I sometimes can confuse Fi-wide smiles for Fe. But I think Fe smiles seem to slowly fill up the cheeks as you see them grin? Like a balloon inflating. Their cheeks seem usually more relaxed somehow and their smiles get pulled wider the happier they are.
(Fe smile...cheeks seem to inflate during her grin)
While, Fi smiles seem to have tight tense cheeks BEFORE the grin? It is like they "clench" their face cheeks a lot more, especially near the nose area. When the cheeks are so tense and clenched...then the smile will have some resistance when they try to rise up. It is like Fi smiles are similar to a person trying to "lift weights". The smile is the weightlifter. The weights are the cheeks. The smile tries to go up and up, lifting those cheeks.
As in sitbone's gif: (Jennifer's cheeks don't seem to inflate during the smile like an Fe user, but rather they are clenched/tight before the smile already, so they act as dead-weights that her smile is trying to lift up)
When the Fi user feels greatly (like they are really happy and laughing hard)...the more the smile will rise and push up into the cheeks, which are conversely trying to hold the smile back down (like weights). This is that Fi "clash" in the cheeks. It's subtle and can be quite fast, but the cheeks are tense BEFORE the smile it seems. While Fe user's cheeks get tense DURING the smile.
Also, sometimes the Fi user won't be all that happy, so sometimes their smile won't necessarily rise up so high towards the nose. It won't look so obviously snarly. This is when it makes it easy to mistake them for Fe. But when an Fi user is truly happy or "feeling"...that resistance in their cheeks will be there and in the peak of happiness, the smile will go from wide smile to a snarly smile.
(A mix of Demi's wide and snarly smiles)
I think the greater the feeling, the greater the clenching of the cheeks (especially around the nose area) and the higher the smile will rise (the higher their smile lines/wrinkle will rise)...thus becoming snarly when it might have not been apparent before.
(Not really so snarly-Demi)
(vs. very snarly-Demi...she is very happy)
(Kristen has a wide smile that can look Fe, but her cheeks are almost always tense BEFORE her smiles and her snarly smile comes through every now and then.)
Fe smiles won't have this struggle so much, because their cheeks don't have this resistance...they inflate with the smile... and their smiles usually don't rise higher and higher up into the face as if needing to lift their cheeks up more in order to make way for the smile.
So I guess the main key is to notice how much they "clench" their cheeks, no matter how subtle, and how those cheeks seem to retain their shape and act as a resistance to their smiles. Their cheeks are like a BUFFER! That might be a good description of Fi cheeks during a smile, a buffer. The cheeks seem to want to retain their shape and remain clenched/tight during all times of the smile.
Well, I don't know if I described it well or holds true for everyone, but this is what I look for mostly in smiles between Fi vs Fe users...the condition of their cheeks, rather than solely the shape of their smile. I basically am trying to say the same stuff as erifrail in the Fe vs Fi subtle differences thread.
Last Edit: Mar 13, 2014 23:30:07 GMT -5 by IluvHSJ
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
"I will never assert that an individual must be the type I think they are. I am human, I still have subjectivity. I also think it's possible that an individual can be aware if they have been mistyped. Therefore, when it comes down to it, the ultimate decision to accept/reject a typing should come from that person themself. For better or worse, it is ultimately up to them...or some kind of perfect brain scan. haha"
-IluvHSJ
Auburn , I see Scarlett Johanssen on here as Fi-lead. You have her typed in the system as TiSe, and this was after her type had been ambiguous for a while.
(There are a few other non Fi people here too. Of course, we all use the same signals, it's the larger patterns that matter)
Last Edit: Feb 20, 2018 13:07:48 GMT -5 by teatime
Auburn , I see Scarlett Johanssen on here as Fi-lead. You have her typed in the system as TiSe, and this was after her type had been ambiguous for a while.
(There are a few other non Fi people here too. Of course, we all use the same signals, it's the larger patterns that matter)
i can only speak for myself. this thread was neither made nor endorsed by me ;p a lot of stuff from years back is filled with inaccuracies, so i wouldn't recommend using them as references. these were created by members testing the waters and trying to get a handle of things.
