Post by ayoungspirit on Aug 10, 2013 5:43:39 GMT -5
Hello leon and welcome to the forum ! You may have come around the fact that there is already a thread on Ejarendee (link) and several other mentions elsewhere. I did not look much into it but I believe his stand is mostly problematic for CT because he relies primarily on Socionics. Thank you for the reference otherwise
Post by chaoticbrain on Aug 10, 2013 7:48:33 GMT -5
CT is closer to socionics than any other typology system I'd say. DJarendee says a lot false things, but if your going to go somewhere for function information he's probably your best choice.
I would agree with chaoticbrain. Socionics and MBTI are a lot less different than they are made out to be. The difference is that the tertiary and inferior functions of the MBTI (3rd and 4th functions) are the 5th and 6th in socionics, and the 7th and 8th in socionics are number 5 and 6 in MBTI. I do not think the function ordering difference should be an issue. I know for CT functions 1-4 of each type are critical. When I watch CT I see that the 3rd and 4th are essentially the same as socionics 5th and 6th. The orderings of MBTI and Socionics do not conflict because if you read the cognitive function descriptions in the link below socionics still views the same functions as ego-syntonic as MBTI, and the same functions as ego-dystonic as MBTI. The ego-syntonic functions are the ones that show up in CT visual reading for each type.
For SeTi, in both MBTI and Socionics, Se, Ti, Fe, Ni are all its valued functions (ego-syntonic functions). Thus are the ones that show up in visual reading in CT. Socionics says that SeTi seeks and appreciate those with Ni and Fe since he/she views them as weak functions in him/herself (thus Ni and Fe are ego-syntonic since they are generally valued by SeTi).
If you look at the descriptions of the cognitive functions of socionics in the link they are certainly describing the same cognitive functions as MBTI. The socionics descriptions emphasize certain points about the functions that MBTI does not, such as the fact that Se can get aggressive (in MBTI, the aspect of Se that tends to be described is the ability to notice literal surroundings rather than the aggression). This may be important for CT since when I observe SeTi, TiSe, FeNi, and NiFe use Se, they show aggressiveness.
The other difference is that the "j" and the "p" in socionics corresponds with the most dominant function of each type, whereas in MBTI the "J" and "P" corresponds with the dominant function of extroverted types and the auxiliary functions of introverted types. They are all essentially talking about the same types, just with slightly different labels.
Anyway I am jealous of SeTi's, being an FiNe myself and lacking all their favored functions, haha.
Post by chaoticbrain on Aug 12, 2013 6:21:01 GMT -5
leon
don't get me wrong, this system is very different from socionics. I'm not saying I think socionics is valid as a theory, just that it has a good deal more valid information than MBTI.
Post by chaoticbrain on Aug 12, 2013 6:22:04 GMT -5
This guy I think is SeTi. Maybe with developed Ni? He's a bit low energy. Ironic too, because his character on prison break is undoubtedly a beta. Probably NiFe.
Last Edit: Aug 13, 2013 4:02:54 GMT -5 by chaoticbrain
don't get me wrong, this system is very different from socionics. I'm not saying I think socionics is valid as a theory, just that it has a good deal more valid information than MBTI.
They are the kind of girl I was longing to be when I was a kid They seemed so cool and badass girls, very self confident, always armed with a ready reply. And above all, they were able to hold out on boys, just because they had good kinesthesic skills, so they could do whatever they wanted to do with their body, without looking ridiculous. And of course, they were still feminine and sexy at the same time. As an adult, I still fantasize about wowing every body with showing extraordinary physical skills and body coordination, in activities like dancing, handling weapons, riding a horse or practicing martial arts (even driving a car properly would be a good start! ). I guess it is because I've always felt like I was lacking these qualities so painfully, that I thought they were kind of "deal-breakers" on my way to happiness...
Shivaree I understand what you mean, I kinda envied them but probably not to the same extent as you. The only "badass" thing I could do was horse riding, but I can't dance to save my life and I was very "princessy", I don't have much of a kinesthesic qualities. I used to think I rather was made for "intellectual" or artistic activities (I was bad at sport except amateur gym). So I was okay being like that, I just thought we were almost different species anyway so no need to compare As for my comment, it was before I got to know CT well so I still had the ESTP stereotypes in mind, I'm sure there are SeTi non sporty tomboyish females.
I'm sure there are SeTi non sporty tomboyish females.
And I guess all badass girls are not SeTi But anyway, in my case, being sporty or tomboyish is just incidental. I mostly have troubles to coordinate my body, and make it incarnate what I have in mind, I sometimes feel like it has a will of its own, and I have little control on the way it moves. Hence, many humiliations, reproaches and disapointments. That's the reason why that specific aspect crystallizes as many frustrations as fantasies. And since at the time I would exclusively identify with people of my gender, those "tomboyish, sporty girls" would represent the only feminin incarnation of what I was lacking.
Post by peppergirl on Aug 19, 2013 13:22:29 GMT -5
Shivaree So for you, they incarnated a sort of ideal then, which was not the case at all for me. Interesting but I don't know if it's type related. You do come across as SeTi for me, not ESTP though lol. You remind me of SeFi Lx who identified more with Ni than Se. However there seems to be more to the Se function than the usual descriptions of it on the internet. Or probably your oscillation wheel is very fast making it hard to distinguish between the two but in yoir case Se still look a bit prominent (slightly) and you have a good use of Fe like Lx with Te...
Shivaree So for you, they incarnated a sort of ideal then, which was not the case at all for me. Interesting but I don't know if it's type related. You do come across as SeTi for me, not ESTP though lol. You remind me of SeFi Lx who identified more with Ni than Se. However there seems to be more to the Se function than the usual descriptions of it on the internet. Or probably your oscillation wheel is very fast making it hard to distinguish between the two but in yoir case Se still look a bit prominent (slightly) and you have a good use of Fe like Lx with Te...
I'm really not basing myself on ESTP stereotypes, precisely because I know they're just stereotypes. It's really not a matter of ego or disdain about SeTi. It's just that being typed an Se-lead doesn't make sens for me, because I can't relate it to what my life has always been and everything I've been struggling with. I think if Se appears so obvious to you in the videos, it's because I needed to extrovert myself to face the webcam, so I mobilized Fe and Se. But I'm usually not like that, people often ask me if I feel bored and I've already been reproached for looking jaded (which is quite annoying because it's just my ordinary facial expression, so to remedy this, I sometimes force myself to keep my eyes wide-opened and thus, seem wide-awake and attentive).
Post by peppergirl on Aug 22, 2013 20:08:59 GMT -5
Shivaree oops didn't see your reply. Well, myself I'm described as very calm and introverted by people who knows me eventhough I can show some extraversion (usually short-termed or I feel tired). After watching videos of me, I was surprised how animated and smiley I was compared to what I thought. I think a Pi-lead, even in a context of interaction or being on camera will look more sedate, they're less jerky. It's true that you look calm but you do seem to have an undercurrent of energy (like I was told I had, to my disbelief), I know it's hard to gauge oneself. Maybe the very fact you needed to show excitation was a sign of being Pe-lead? It's exactly what I thought for me because I did the same. It's just what I think, I'm not trying to convince you, so it's okay if you still doubt, it makes sense given your description of your experience.
Post by chaoticbrain on Sept 25, 2013 23:20:07 GMT -5
I think these are two philosophical SeTi's. I'm less sure about joe rogan, but it's interesting how they both talk about the importance of the body and physicality. I know that's just a stereotype of SeTi, but still.