Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Nov 10, 2014 17:18:54 GMT -5
Been reviewing the vids and can maybe see Fi in the smiles. He just has such a softer, less assertive, snippy presentation than most TeNi folks I've seen. He strikes me as an enneagram 4, which could definitely have something to do with that. I'm leaning toward TeNi at this point, but it's kinda close. Like 54% to 46%. TeNi (alt. FeNi).
Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Nov 10, 2014 18:23:40 GMT -5
Hmm. peppergirl, could you elaborate on that? I recall in my last visit to the Weaving videos thinking I saw Fe aggression in spots. Would this severity compare-and-contrast with the concept of Fe aggression?
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Maybe it was deceptively done of me to overfocus on the smile, which seems to fluctuate quite readily in "quality appearance" (and that indicates Te/Fi more than Fe/Ti I think). My initial hunch of him being TeNi was probably right; FeNi seems a bit off when you think of his whole being (that "severity" - as peppergirl puts it - being important!) and that a lot of the signals rather indicate the contrary: fast, "cutting" and broad movements, especially in the first interview; Te-speech with periods of avalanching speech, though all "well-disguised" due to his actor vein etc. Seems more like it.
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Would you care to elaborate? I'm still seeing more TeNi than FeNi. You have to remember that the swelling in the voice is not that reliable a signal, insofar as it can be learned by Te/Fi users. His nods, headshakes, and eyebrow raises look pretty snippy to me.
"Not *how* the world is, is the mystical, but *that* it is." - Wittgenstein
He's so Ti lead, it's not funny. Puppeteer hands all over the place. If his Se eye locks weren't almost non-stop, it would be possible to confuse him for a TiNe. Ni is his play function with statements like, "and that's the fun of it, creating a whole new reality". When he actually does smile, it looks Fe enough to pass for Fe, which is a clear indication it's his inferior function.
Compare him to Fe leads like Hugh Jackman, and there is simply no similarity in Fe levels.
Don't confuse his resting eyebrow shape with Te "severity". This system only works on micro expressions -in motion-.
Compare Hugo Weaving's body language, speaking tempo and tone, to Christian Bale, a clear TiSe, and you'll see how much resting facial features can influence this process if you're not careful. They even have the same "severity", which is Ti dom fueled by Se focus.
Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Dec 21, 2014 16:44:17 GMT -5
Any take on his enneatype, The Doctor? My understanding of the enneagram has been blossoming recently, becoming more nuanced, and I'd love to hear your take on it here after having read your write up on Sasha Grey. @morsecode? How bout you?
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Any take on his enneatype, The Doctor? My understanding of the enneagram has been blossoming recently, becoming more nuanced, and I'd love to hear your take on it here after having read your write up on Sasha Grey.
Hmm... hadn't really thought about it, but I'd have to go with 9w8 sp and a 5w4 fix. As for image fix, maybe 3 of some sort to solidify the need to perfect and succeed, but clearly not enough to overcome the 9 lazy and bother combing his hair...
My comparison being: He's got that Clint Eastwood predatory TiSe 9w8 vibe down, while actually just being a distant softie at rest.
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
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Hugo WeavingDec 22, 2014 20:51:52 GMT -5 by Deletedvia mobile
He is a tricky one. I am seeing Je-lead. He uses Ni/Se. His J functions are very tricky (and I had to spend a long time looking at it closely and carefully to land somewhere) as his cheeks look flat, but I don't see Ti neutralizations and his smiles are of a personal nature, not the Fe warming interpersonal smile. Also, his blunt gesticulation and heavy blunt hands suggest Te... his hands are contundent. My typing for him is TeNi.
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Hugo WeavingDec 22, 2014 20:54:01 GMT -5 by Deletedvia mobile
A side note: even if his cheeks makes it tricky to identify his J functions, his smile follows the Fi polar pattern. And his eyebrow movements are Te. TeNi.
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Hugo WeavingDec 22, 2014 20:59:51 GMT -5 by Deletedvia mobile
Second side note: i now realize that his face moves in interviews in a similar way to TeNi Morrissey... Which reinforces my typing. It's a softer shade of TeNi, not as blunt as the more easily found shades of this type.
Post by At-Ease Zazeef on Dec 22, 2014 22:09:39 GMT -5
Dig the read, morsie. I would like to bring up the issue of shades, however. What do you attribute the various "shades" of a type as being consequent of? Are they a product of the enneagram, perhaps? Or maybe something to do with particular oscillation patterns of a given type into which individuals happen to fall? Personal history/environmental factors/nurture (as opposed to "nature")? Or something else entirely? I've seen that table of contents page that is slated to go in the book; would you say that those are ultimately what will be the official shades? (lol, don't have it pulled up now, but, shit, that might be explicitly stated for all I know, just now.) Thoughts, everybody? I've always been hiiighly reticent to get into the "shades" thing for lack of a comprehensive exploration of the concept.