Personal Notes on Types
May 18, 2013 15:29:11 GMT -5 by Auburn
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Post by Auburn on May 18, 2013 15:29:11 GMT -5
Hi guys. Um, so here I'll be posting some rough notes I've made about types in their actual behavior/manifestation as my finite exposure reveals. Not meant to be anything absolute, but moreso how one TiNe analyzes other types and how they operate. These understandings may change over time. In this post I'll focus particularly on some of the types I think are understood the least / get less attention / underestimated in typology communities.
TeSi ::
Te-leads Madonna and Lady Gaga both describe feelings of injustice and suppression of authenticity as children (Fi bitterness); Madonna due to being raised in a catholic school that was prejudice against women rights, and Gaga being bullied at school. This contributed to their desire to be anti-culture and express the full authenticity of their selves as they desired. Gaga is also a humanitarian, creating charities for children and centers. Te-lead Angelina Jolie is similar, contributing strongly to charities and adopting less fortunate infants from other countries.
These acts are acts of Fi values. Te-leads have the capacity to use the strength and force of their Te toward truly generating altruistic solutions in the world. They are also, despite some stereotypes of them being strictly business-minded, a bit anti-culture and have a level of satisfaction doing things their own way. Miley Cyrus is an example of a TeSi who is both successful/driven due to her Te, but individualist (recently becoming more radical in her appearances, very reminiscent of Madonna).
Another important aspect of TeSi is their Ne. The sheer executive potential of their Te makes it so they need only to channel it toward a curious endeavor in order to excel at discovery/exploration. Angenila Jolie is a nomadic traveler and explorer who likes to try varied cultures and sees no reason not to do things alternative ways. And James Cameron not only created impressive film(s) filled with imagination, but has pioneered a submarine to the deepest parts of the ocean. "Because he can". That's basically the embodiment of it - TeSi will do some of the things Ne-leads dream of but don't get around to, because they're more aware of the logistics necessary for its fruition and can direct great force toward that aim.
Before I did visual reading I had a very poor understanding of what this type may be like, and in fact the stereotype I held applied more to a certain shade of FeSi which is controlling. It was eye-opening to see the expanse this type can have and the potential to accomplish both logistical, intellectual creative and humanitarian feats.
SiTe ::
There are three places where I've seen this type is very heavily represented: news anchor hosts, talk show hosts, politics. This makes sense considering the strengths of their psychology. In order to be any of those three things one requires the ability to talk in an unbroken and to-the-point manner. Te-Ne is the function combination which both avalanches forward, and branches into indefinite topics. As soon as one topic is approaching an end, another is generated by Ne and quickly articulated/executed with Te. The majority of talk show hosts are Te, especially Te-Ne. Jonathan Ross, Ellen DeGeneres, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher are Te/Ne and O'Reily, O'Donnell, and a few others I can't recall, are Te/Se. You don't want dead-space or Ti momentum halting if you're going to be a news anchor, or a talk show host. The people who get the job, I imagine, are those who have that natural talent and can be depended on for it day in and day out.
Now as for politics, unlike Te-leads who are more focused on principles of individuality and nature - SiTe's start with a concern for the tapestry of the external world to align with their internal paradigm of Si. Thus the primary motivation is to perpetuate a worldview, and utilizing Te to those aims. There are also TeSi in politics, though. Likewise the ability to be avalanching articulators, able to sharply deliver the relevant-point, is imperative in the dynamics of formal debate.
But from another angle, SiTe such as Jamie Hyneman and Jeff Dunman demonstrate the Ne side of things. Hyneman's Ne is intrigued and stimulated by Adam Savage's Ne and this helps draw out his sense of exploration - while also in return aiding Adam by providing more tactile management of the execution. Dunham's ability to multi-toggle various characters on stage is likewise aided by the Te-Ne duality, but Dunhamn is more concerned with the art form he's been attached to for over thirty years and which he's been doing out of affinity for it, way before he got significant income from it (Si familiarity).
SiFe ::
Like some of the Ne-heavy SiTe, SiFe have a childish and curious side. SiFe aren't necessarily neat-freaks. It all depends on their early childhood experiences. Whatever the mood or rhythm of their early days drew them to, they will aim to recreate that familiarity in the present. My mother grew up poor and needed to work hard to survive, so that's the rhythm she's stuck in. Another SiFe I know grew up in the hippy era, and wanted to be a musician, and that's the rhythm they've perpetuated even decades after that era (i.e. anti-establishment, stress-free generosity).
One common denominator though is Fe's tendency, in this type, to be motherly/fatherly. The presence of Si above Fe creates a sense of 'knowing best' and that surety is communicated via Fe interaction with others to aide them in aligning to their own familiarity. Even SiFe complete strangers that I meet for a few minutes emit this sense on me - and speak to me as if I was their child, in a warm "giving advice" sense. Oh yes, that's another thing. They tend to ramble.
The rambling tendency is in both SiTe and SiFe, but in SiFe it's a bit slower and takes its time (Te delivers it more quickly), and the tangential nature of Ne can lead, if uninterrupted, to several hours of conversing and listening to their experiences. Which can be very educational or redundant if it's not the first time you hear the information.
NiTe ::
I haven't befriended many NiTe in my lifetime, but there are two I draw experience from. My past co-worker. He is a pharmacy tech, the most experienced one in the store despite being there only two years. The pharmacists sometimes go to him for suggestions/knowledge, though of course they rely on their own schooling information. But that's just it, they don't rely on him so much for professional data, but for common sense of how he'd handle a given case. He's not socially awkward; he's actually quite socially 'cool' in a similar way to Aubrey Plaza while retaining his hypnotic stare and trademark monotone. I was new at the pharmacy and whenever I had a question he always had an answer. He'd keep track of almost all the patients that visited the pharmacy, many by name, and anticipated just about everything that may happen in the pharmacy.
He was/is a workaholic. The lead pharmacist was/is SiTe and the two of them resonate a lot and are friends on a personal level. For him, the pharmacy is his true home and where his actual friends are. He barely manages to stay under 40 hrs per week, often getting in trouble from the higher-ups that don't want him to take over-time. He often clocks out but returns to the pharmacy anyhow. I once made a passing joke that I wasn't sure if he ever did leave the pharmacy, or if he had a bed in the back somewhere - he chuckled. He knows the pharmacy backward and forwards and he'll sometimes have a slip of tongue and refer to it as "my pharmacy".
I found him so fascinating when I started working there and asked him lots of questions after work. He'd tell me things like how he wasn't aware of his body, and he'd go days without eating sometimes and not notice (suppressed Se). He'd tell me he would hardly sleep more than 4 hours each night. When I asked him what he'd do with all that waking time at night he told me he told me he reads medical encyclopedias. In his dispassionate, monotone way he would tell me very curious stories and some of which were very emotionally sensitive. Both of the NiTe I've known personally have been able to share very "omg, no f'n way" type information with me with a straight face. Things like them losing loved ones, being abused, getting into car crashes, seeing ghosts. It was no different from telling me they bought a new TV, or what-have-you.
Another thing about him is that he had a bitter Fi. When someone is classed as a cruel person in his book, he completely shuts off any empathy or sympathy for them as a living entity. He'd talk to me about some of the issues he had with his extended family and how he basically considers them dead to him (all this, again, spoken in a completely monotone voice) and that he wouldn't go to their help, lend them five cents, or even look their way if he ran across them at the supermarket. The odd thing is, though, that the issues he described having with his family were issues my Fe though "those aren't so bad they can be fixed! you just gotta try! be diplomatic!" but to him, he didn't bother, and he saw things in a very raw way of just "they don't like who I am, I don't like who they are, and that's that" even if it was just after one bad experience.
FeSi ::
My FeSi older sister has a major in Social Work and works at Child Protective Services. It was interesting to watch her grow into an adult before me. She was a straight A student, and throughout university she maintained a 4.0 GPA, or marginally below that. This wasn't because she was great at the math classes, etc, but because she felt a terrible guilt if she failed. She felt the pressure of the university teachers and would say "I got to get this done" even when she was very tired from life chores.
She likes to talk about social injustices in the system, cruelty to children, animals etc. But when she's not talking about that, she relays trivia and very Ne ideas. Suddenly she'll perk-up in an excited Ne way and say "Oh! did you know that [product] causes [cancer/etc]?" or a number of other things she read in a science article or in her college text-books (Si-stored correlations). In general she's aware that scientists are humans and prone to error, but she still makes multiple appeals to the scientific authorities and generally lives her life in accordance to those articles. Often times my conversations with her are me trying to weight the legitimacy of her trivia and claims via Ti analysis, since I don't have any better data myself.
She's a very friendly person to everyone, but she has a hostile temper underneath. She can be very bold and stand up to someone in hostility to defend her stance, although she may later have shaky legs and possibly cry at the event when it's passed. She doesn't like conflict and it make her physically ill to be in bad terms with others/the-world. She is definitely an Fe-Martyr and often gives more than what she gets back. She honors the principle of fair reciprocity, but also one of not asking of others (unless they're family).
I admire her, even though I can only stand so much time around her. In general, though, our conversations are positive because her Fe/Ti clash with my Ti/Fe and we end up talking about principles of ethics, democracy and logic. Because she is a judgment lead like me, we're both fundamentally trying to arrive at the core principles and using info/topics as examples and material to aide in that. But the conversation reaches a satisfactory end when we both agree on the ethics of a matter.
SiFe :: ..continued
My SiFe mother never has debates of this sort with me. She doesn't have carefully crafted stances, but the way she lives her life shows her positions on things. Though she'll get fatigued with me if I try to make her crystallize her views for me so I can analyze them. She too is an Fe-Martyr though she's gotten better at standing up for herself. She did, however, spend seventeen years with my father before divorcing even though she was disillusioned some two years into the marriage.
TeSi ::
Te-leads Madonna and Lady Gaga both describe feelings of injustice and suppression of authenticity as children (Fi bitterness); Madonna due to being raised in a catholic school that was prejudice against women rights, and Gaga being bullied at school. This contributed to their desire to be anti-culture and express the full authenticity of their selves as they desired. Gaga is also a humanitarian, creating charities for children and centers. Te-lead Angelina Jolie is similar, contributing strongly to charities and adopting less fortunate infants from other countries.
These acts are acts of Fi values. Te-leads have the capacity to use the strength and force of their Te toward truly generating altruistic solutions in the world. They are also, despite some stereotypes of them being strictly business-minded, a bit anti-culture and have a level of satisfaction doing things their own way. Miley Cyrus is an example of a TeSi who is both successful/driven due to her Te, but individualist (recently becoming more radical in her appearances, very reminiscent of Madonna).
Another important aspect of TeSi is their Ne. The sheer executive potential of their Te makes it so they need only to channel it toward a curious endeavor in order to excel at discovery/exploration. Angenila Jolie is a nomadic traveler and explorer who likes to try varied cultures and sees no reason not to do things alternative ways. And James Cameron not only created impressive film(s) filled with imagination, but has pioneered a submarine to the deepest parts of the ocean. "Because he can". That's basically the embodiment of it - TeSi will do some of the things Ne-leads dream of but don't get around to, because they're more aware of the logistics necessary for its fruition and can direct great force toward that aim.
Before I did visual reading I had a very poor understanding of what this type may be like, and in fact the stereotype I held applied more to a certain shade of FeSi which is controlling. It was eye-opening to see the expanse this type can have and the potential to accomplish both logistical, intellectual creative and humanitarian feats.
SiTe ::
There are three places where I've seen this type is very heavily represented: news anchor hosts, talk show hosts, politics. This makes sense considering the strengths of their psychology. In order to be any of those three things one requires the ability to talk in an unbroken and to-the-point manner. Te-Ne is the function combination which both avalanches forward, and branches into indefinite topics. As soon as one topic is approaching an end, another is generated by Ne and quickly articulated/executed with Te. The majority of talk show hosts are Te, especially Te-Ne. Jonathan Ross, Ellen DeGeneres, Stephen Colbert, Bill Maher are Te/Ne and O'Reily, O'Donnell, and a few others I can't recall, are Te/Se. You don't want dead-space or Ti momentum halting if you're going to be a news anchor, or a talk show host. The people who get the job, I imagine, are those who have that natural talent and can be depended on for it day in and day out.
Now as for politics, unlike Te-leads who are more focused on principles of individuality and nature - SiTe's start with a concern for the tapestry of the external world to align with their internal paradigm of Si. Thus the primary motivation is to perpetuate a worldview, and utilizing Te to those aims. There are also TeSi in politics, though. Likewise the ability to be avalanching articulators, able to sharply deliver the relevant-point, is imperative in the dynamics of formal debate.
But from another angle, SiTe such as Jamie Hyneman and Jeff Dunman demonstrate the Ne side of things. Hyneman's Ne is intrigued and stimulated by Adam Savage's Ne and this helps draw out his sense of exploration - while also in return aiding Adam by providing more tactile management of the execution. Dunham's ability to multi-toggle various characters on stage is likewise aided by the Te-Ne duality, but Dunhamn is more concerned with the art form he's been attached to for over thirty years and which he's been doing out of affinity for it, way before he got significant income from it (Si familiarity).
SiFe ::
Like some of the Ne-heavy SiTe, SiFe have a childish and curious side. SiFe aren't necessarily neat-freaks. It all depends on their early childhood experiences. Whatever the mood or rhythm of their early days drew them to, they will aim to recreate that familiarity in the present. My mother grew up poor and needed to work hard to survive, so that's the rhythm she's stuck in. Another SiFe I know grew up in the hippy era, and wanted to be a musician, and that's the rhythm they've perpetuated even decades after that era (i.e. anti-establishment, stress-free generosity).
One common denominator though is Fe's tendency, in this type, to be motherly/fatherly. The presence of Si above Fe creates a sense of 'knowing best' and that surety is communicated via Fe interaction with others to aide them in aligning to their own familiarity. Even SiFe complete strangers that I meet for a few minutes emit this sense on me - and speak to me as if I was their child, in a warm "giving advice" sense. Oh yes, that's another thing. They tend to ramble.
The rambling tendency is in both SiTe and SiFe, but in SiFe it's a bit slower and takes its time (Te delivers it more quickly), and the tangential nature of Ne can lead, if uninterrupted, to several hours of conversing and listening to their experiences. Which can be very educational or redundant if it's not the first time you hear the information.
NiTe ::
I haven't befriended many NiTe in my lifetime, but there are two I draw experience from. My past co-worker. He is a pharmacy tech, the most experienced one in the store despite being there only two years. The pharmacists sometimes go to him for suggestions/knowledge, though of course they rely on their own schooling information. But that's just it, they don't rely on him so much for professional data, but for common sense of how he'd handle a given case. He's not socially awkward; he's actually quite socially 'cool' in a similar way to Aubrey Plaza while retaining his hypnotic stare and trademark monotone. I was new at the pharmacy and whenever I had a question he always had an answer. He'd keep track of almost all the patients that visited the pharmacy, many by name, and anticipated just about everything that may happen in the pharmacy.
He was/is a workaholic. The lead pharmacist was/is SiTe and the two of them resonate a lot and are friends on a personal level. For him, the pharmacy is his true home and where his actual friends are. He barely manages to stay under 40 hrs per week, often getting in trouble from the higher-ups that don't want him to take over-time. He often clocks out but returns to the pharmacy anyhow. I once made a passing joke that I wasn't sure if he ever did leave the pharmacy, or if he had a bed in the back somewhere - he chuckled. He knows the pharmacy backward and forwards and he'll sometimes have a slip of tongue and refer to it as "my pharmacy".
I found him so fascinating when I started working there and asked him lots of questions after work. He'd tell me things like how he wasn't aware of his body, and he'd go days without eating sometimes and not notice (suppressed Se). He'd tell me he would hardly sleep more than 4 hours each night. When I asked him what he'd do with all that waking time at night he told me he told me he reads medical encyclopedias. In his dispassionate, monotone way he would tell me very curious stories and some of which were very emotionally sensitive. Both of the NiTe I've known personally have been able to share very "omg, no f'n way" type information with me with a straight face. Things like them losing loved ones, being abused, getting into car crashes, seeing ghosts. It was no different from telling me they bought a new TV, or what-have-you.
Another thing about him is that he had a bitter Fi. When someone is classed as a cruel person in his book, he completely shuts off any empathy or sympathy for them as a living entity. He'd talk to me about some of the issues he had with his extended family and how he basically considers them dead to him (all this, again, spoken in a completely monotone voice) and that he wouldn't go to their help, lend them five cents, or even look their way if he ran across them at the supermarket. The odd thing is, though, that the issues he described having with his family were issues my Fe though "those aren't so bad they can be fixed! you just gotta try! be diplomatic!" but to him, he didn't bother, and he saw things in a very raw way of just "they don't like who I am, I don't like who they are, and that's that" even if it was just after one bad experience.
FeSi ::
My FeSi older sister has a major in Social Work and works at Child Protective Services. It was interesting to watch her grow into an adult before me. She was a straight A student, and throughout university she maintained a 4.0 GPA, or marginally below that. This wasn't because she was great at the math classes, etc, but because she felt a terrible guilt if she failed. She felt the pressure of the university teachers and would say "I got to get this done" even when she was very tired from life chores.
She likes to talk about social injustices in the system, cruelty to children, animals etc. But when she's not talking about that, she relays trivia and very Ne ideas. Suddenly she'll perk-up in an excited Ne way and say "Oh! did you know that [product] causes [cancer/etc]?" or a number of other things she read in a science article or in her college text-books (Si-stored correlations). In general she's aware that scientists are humans and prone to error, but she still makes multiple appeals to the scientific authorities and generally lives her life in accordance to those articles. Often times my conversations with her are me trying to weight the legitimacy of her trivia and claims via Ti analysis, since I don't have any better data myself.
She's a very friendly person to everyone, but she has a hostile temper underneath. She can be very bold and stand up to someone in hostility to defend her stance, although she may later have shaky legs and possibly cry at the event when it's passed. She doesn't like conflict and it make her physically ill to be in bad terms with others/the-world. She is definitely an Fe-Martyr and often gives more than what she gets back. She honors the principle of fair reciprocity, but also one of not asking of others (unless they're family).
I admire her, even though I can only stand so much time around her. In general, though, our conversations are positive because her Fe/Ti clash with my Ti/Fe and we end up talking about principles of ethics, democracy and logic. Because she is a judgment lead like me, we're both fundamentally trying to arrive at the core principles and using info/topics as examples and material to aide in that. But the conversation reaches a satisfactory end when we both agree on the ethics of a matter.
SiFe :: ..continued
My SiFe mother never has debates of this sort with me. She doesn't have carefully crafted stances, but the way she lives her life shows her positions on things. Though she'll get fatigued with me if I try to make her crystallize her views for me so I can analyze them. She too is an Fe-Martyr though she's gotten better at standing up for herself. She did, however, spend seventeen years with my father before divorcing even though she was disillusioned some two years into the marriage.