Two CEO's: FeNi and TiSe
Dec 15, 2015 3:51:18 GMT -5 by Auburn
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Post by Auburn on Dec 15, 2015 3:51:18 GMT -5
This thread is about two visionary people: FeNi Steve Jobs and TiSe Elon Musk.
TiSe Elon Musk
(an long one, but we see him here doing public speaking)
Elon Musk is quite a fascinating person. I should note right away that he's not a beginner's read so I'll try to walk through my decisions. Has some peculiar facial structures, and it initially took me a while to realize that he is TiSe (having suspected NiTe/NiFe first). At face value his smiles can appear Te-ish, but if we reset the baseline and study the dynamic contractions of his smiles as a whole, we will see that he doesn't emote in any of the Fi ways. No asymmetrical snarls, unordinary lips, clashing-with-nose, nasal or breathy voice, etc. There's a bit of a 'snap' in his body movements (Te?) in some interviews, but nothing too uncommon for Fe.... depending on habit, as gesticulation has a level of malleability. But lets keep it open...
Now, his eyes are quite zoned-out in the first interview, and Ni-lead does come to mind. There's also some body swaying in the first interview, but overall we witness a great deal of Ti momentum halting, meticulous articulation, complete emotional neutralization, receding energy, rigid posture, and mini-bursts of Fe. We see all these more clearly in the second video. His Fe itself is very contained, and his emotional pushes are not affecting enough to indicate a supportive Fe role. There's neither the "warm" and approachable NiFe vibe, nor an assertive/intrusive NiFe directivity. Overall Fe plays a lesser role in his psychology. We are instead struck by a very 'logical' psychology that is not emotionally affected.
So we have more support toward "logic" being a prioritized function, but it's still iffy whether Ni or Ti leads. However, in the first interview (second half) we see how he is not shy of really digging deep into introversion to find the most dispassionately correct answer to subjective questions, which he answers in a sort of 3rd person way, even when they're about him. This is more of a Ti quality, and as he does this we see an expected level of Pe eye toggling for a TiPe type. He fully neutralizes his body, slows down the conversation and seeks within himself in a way that is entirely characteristic of Ti-lead types. After revisiting these and many other interviews, I personally came to see that rigidity (both in mind and body) is prioritized above fluidity, and his level of head-leading-body is due to a strong (but not overpowering) Ni presence. This is also better supported by the magnitude of Ti and the noted absence of Fe's strength.
Musk, despite all his success and fame, does not publicly display himself to be the charismatic sort. In the 2nd video of the spoiler, we see how his presentation is glitchy, with many stutters and technical halts. In some cases this could be written off to nervousness or lack of practice in public speaking and thus trouble with articulation, save that Musk spends most of his time (as a CEO) having meetings with other people/CEO's and interacting socially, and giving speeches just like this one.
This instead reflects his natural mode of being (introverted, dispassionate), a mode that is not essentially at home in his occupation. We find further evidence of this in the way he says he wanted to avoid the responsibility of being CEO and did all he could to postpone the position until he finally had to step in. We also find a clue in his attitude toward the endeavor of entrepreneurship. Elon says:
"Starting a company is like eating glass and staring into the abyss"
Musk demonstrates an admirable resilience to pain and real-life complications due to his dispassionate Ti shell (he is Ti and Ni heavy), but he certainly realizes how much of a logistical challenge this presents and how unordinary his circumstance is.
He also does something that I see Ti-leads do a lot. He does not side with himself. Many times Ti-lead types will talk about the realities they see in a diagnostic manner, regardless of whether those realities relate to them or not. But because they still lie at the center of their own experience (as all people do) their arsenal of information will commonly touch upon experiences they had a part in. The result is that they will speak about things that touch them, but from a dispassionate perspective where their diagnostics will favor them just as often as they won't.
So what appears like negative self-talk, or pessimism is often seen. In Musk's case, he says in quite a neutral yet honest tone that he felt Tesla had only a 20% chance of succeeding, if not less. He says that "every CEO is wrong, the goal is to be less wrong". He remains mostly unassuming and personally detached from outcomes although he's actually right in the middle of them.
In contrast, the Fe-lead is more prone to talk from the position of the body/life's bias and give words that offer mental attitudes, wisdom, and philosophies that propel vigor and success forward. This is more the style of Steve Jobs (especially in the 2nd and 3rd interview):
Both of these CEO's have also shared quite a few aspects with each other:
TiSe Elon Musk
(an long one, but we see him here doing public speaking)
Elon Musk is quite a fascinating person. I should note right away that he's not a beginner's read so I'll try to walk through my decisions. Has some peculiar facial structures, and it initially took me a while to realize that he is TiSe (having suspected NiTe/NiFe first). At face value his smiles can appear Te-ish, but if we reset the baseline and study the dynamic contractions of his smiles as a whole, we will see that he doesn't emote in any of the Fi ways. No asymmetrical snarls, unordinary lips, clashing-with-nose, nasal or breathy voice, etc. There's a bit of a 'snap' in his body movements (Te?) in some interviews, but nothing too uncommon for Fe.... depending on habit, as gesticulation has a level of malleability. But lets keep it open...
Now, his eyes are quite zoned-out in the first interview, and Ni-lead does come to mind. There's also some body swaying in the first interview, but overall we witness a great deal of Ti momentum halting, meticulous articulation, complete emotional neutralization, receding energy, rigid posture, and mini-bursts of Fe. We see all these more clearly in the second video. His Fe itself is very contained, and his emotional pushes are not affecting enough to indicate a supportive Fe role. There's neither the "warm" and approachable NiFe vibe, nor an assertive/intrusive NiFe directivity. Overall Fe plays a lesser role in his psychology. We are instead struck by a very 'logical' psychology that is not emotionally affected.
So we have more support toward "logic" being a prioritized function, but it's still iffy whether Ni or Ti leads. However, in the first interview (second half) we see how he is not shy of really digging deep into introversion to find the most dispassionately correct answer to subjective questions, which he answers in a sort of 3rd person way, even when they're about him. This is more of a Ti quality, and as he does this we see an expected level of Pe eye toggling for a TiPe type. He fully neutralizes his body, slows down the conversation and seeks within himself in a way that is entirely characteristic of Ti-lead types. After revisiting these and many other interviews, I personally came to see that rigidity (both in mind and body) is prioritized above fluidity, and his level of head-leading-body is due to a strong (but not overpowering) Ni presence. This is also better supported by the magnitude of Ti and the noted absence of Fe's strength.
Musk, despite all his success and fame, does not publicly display himself to be the charismatic sort. In the 2nd video of the spoiler, we see how his presentation is glitchy, with many stutters and technical halts. In some cases this could be written off to nervousness or lack of practice in public speaking and thus trouble with articulation, save that Musk spends most of his time (as a CEO) having meetings with other people/CEO's and interacting socially, and giving speeches just like this one.
This instead reflects his natural mode of being (introverted, dispassionate), a mode that is not essentially at home in his occupation. We find further evidence of this in the way he says he wanted to avoid the responsibility of being CEO and did all he could to postpone the position until he finally had to step in. We also find a clue in his attitude toward the endeavor of entrepreneurship. Elon says:
"Starting a company is like eating glass and staring into the abyss"
Musk demonstrates an admirable resilience to pain and real-life complications due to his dispassionate Ti shell (he is Ti and Ni heavy), but he certainly realizes how much of a logistical challenge this presents and how unordinary his circumstance is.
He also does something that I see Ti-leads do a lot. He does not side with himself. Many times Ti-lead types will talk about the realities they see in a diagnostic manner, regardless of whether those realities relate to them or not. But because they still lie at the center of their own experience (as all people do) their arsenal of information will commonly touch upon experiences they had a part in. The result is that they will speak about things that touch them, but from a dispassionate perspective where their diagnostics will favor them just as often as they won't.
So what appears like negative self-talk, or pessimism is often seen. In Musk's case, he says in quite a neutral yet honest tone that he felt Tesla had only a 20% chance of succeeding, if not less. He says that "every CEO is wrong, the goal is to be less wrong". He remains mostly unassuming and personally detached from outcomes although he's actually right in the middle of them.
In contrast, the Fe-lead is more prone to talk from the position of the body/life's bias and give words that offer mental attitudes, wisdom, and philosophies that propel vigor and success forward. This is more the style of Steve Jobs (especially in the 2nd and 3rd interview):
Both of these CEO's have also shared quite a few aspects with each other:
- They've been keen to identify "the next thing" that innovation demands and which people are ready for now.
- They're both very ambitious in their visions (world-changers) and make their products depend/lean on that faith's vision. In other words, they don't make "safe" products or products with a good chance of giving a return, they choose to make products which are unproven but which they see as the necessary evolution of the market.
- They both "struggle" and feel friction/toil in their line of work that is unordinarily stressful.
- They both have a refined aesthetic that aims for superb focus on ergonomics, comfort, simplicity and luxury.
These are circumstantial similarities (not type descriptions) between these two individuals, but they do tell us something about Beta types in high office positions which I felt was worth noting. 
, but I hope it explains my impression of it...