Theoretical Clarifications?
May 8, 2016 15:41:21 GMT -5 by Auburn
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Post by Auburn on May 8, 2016 15:41:21 GMT -5
In the book I was deliberately vague about certain aspects when it comes to very mathematical architectures.
For example, to contrast with theories like Socionics, where each of the 8 functions are given a very boxed role and definition in 16 hierarchies:
...Hierarchy was almost unmentioned in a lot of the book, partly because it was hard enough to relay the existence of the 8 functions, let alone jump to highly theoretical conclusions. It didn't seem appropriate. But for example we have the 16 profiles begin with:
This phrasing lumps "Ni/Se" as being a secondary oscillation, not necessarily indicating which is predominant. The honest reason I did this is because I didn't exactly know if it mattered.
But what I've been seeing, in general, is that this needs more definition. I know that almost always the supportive oscillation leads with the function that is complimentary to the primary function.
Yet for example, what if the priority given to a function within a pair can shift? What of an Fe(Se/Ni)Ti arrangement, or a Ti(Ni/Se)Fe or an Ni(Ti/Fe)Se arrangement. People who are "doubly introverted" appear occasionally, and another thing I notice is that sometimes this even comes with the signals of function priority.
For example, we may see an NiTe whose Fi breaks through their face in the high-Fi way, but who is clearly dominated by steady Ni eyes. Thus far there's nothing to suggest this as a possibility. Or a clear Ni-lead type whose expressions are very flat in the Ti way.
To me personally, Ni(Ti/Fe)Se and Ni(Fe/Ti)Se are the same type (Valein, as a name, makes no distinction), perhaps differing in more of a modality of functioning?
I suppose this thread is more about putting the question out there... what do you guys see? How can we better explain/define hierarchy, as manifest in real people and observations?
For example, to contrast with theories like Socionics, where each of the 8 functions are given a very boxed role and definition in 16 hierarchies:
Ego Block
1. Leading Function
2. Creative Function
Super-Ego Block
3. Role Function
4. Vulnerable Function
Super-Id Block
5. Suggestive Function
6. Mobilizing Function
Id Block
7. Ignoring Function
8. Demonstrative Function
1. Leading Function
2. Creative Function
Super-Ego Block
3. Role Function
4. Vulnerable Function
Super-Id Block
5. Suggestive Function
6. Mobilizing Function
Id Block
7. Ignoring Function
8. Demonstrative Function
...Hierarchy was almost unmentioned in a lot of the book, partly because it was hard enough to relay the existence of the 8 functions, let alone jump to highly theoretical conclusions. It didn't seem appropriate. But for example we have the 16 profiles begin with:
"The FeNi type emerges when the Fe-Ti oscillation is primary and lead by Fe, while supported by the Ni-Se perception oscillation."
This phrasing lumps "Ni/Se" as being a secondary oscillation, not necessarily indicating which is predominant. The honest reason I did this is because I didn't exactly know if it mattered.
But what I've been seeing, in general, is that this needs more definition. I know that almost always the supportive oscillation leads with the function that is complimentary to the primary function.
Yet for example, what if the priority given to a function within a pair can shift? What of an Fe(Se/Ni)Ti arrangement, or a Ti(Ni/Se)Fe or an Ni(Ti/Fe)Se arrangement. People who are "doubly introverted" appear occasionally, and another thing I notice is that sometimes this even comes with the signals of function priority.
For example, we may see an NiTe whose Fi breaks through their face in the high-Fi way, but who is clearly dominated by steady Ni eyes. Thus far there's nothing to suggest this as a possibility. Or a clear Ni-lead type whose expressions are very flat in the Ti way.
To me personally, Ni(Ti/Fe)Se and Ni(Fe/Ti)Se are the same type (Valein, as a name, makes no distinction), perhaps differing in more of a modality of functioning?
I suppose this thread is more about putting the question out there... what do you guys see? How can we better explain/define hierarchy, as manifest in real people and observations?