Post by The Doctor on Feb 28, 2018 15:27:40 GMT -5
Look up the Google hang outs with Nardi and the Russian Socionics people. They're discussing a lot of stuff that implies the Socionics people are either doing or planning to start their own EEG testing.
Disclaimer: Everything I say here is my OPINION. Please keep that in mind.
Stored away accumulating dust! I hope to brush it off soon, too. We were partly intimidated by the neuroscience involved - which I am not trained in - and I realized that to do this properly, I need to carefully outline the whole procedure and get random samples IRL. This is better suited for a grant study. I could run EEG's on myself and a few local friends but it would amount to little more than tinkering.
But maybe this thread can also be about brainstorming procedures and setting up proper data collection?
If you'd like to have my EEG report from Dario Nardi for science, I'll gladly share.
I want to see that, Xena, especially considering our CT. What did Nardi type you?
Hi Authenticity...Dario said my long-term wiring looked introverted, feeling and intuitive, so he said INFJ seemed to fit well. And short term brain energy emphasized the sensing/thinking regions of the brain...like the INFJ's opposite type, ISTP.
However, my brain also showed very little gaps in the "sensing" parts of the brain, showing that I was really in touch with my body's senses.
And the way my brain "looked" when I did the left-handed signature activity was more like a sensing type than an intuitive.
Yeah...that's what he said. Though other sensing types have also shown a starburst pattern. Usually it's your sensing / feeling types though...not the sensing / thinking.
Here's specifically what he told me in his analysis:
"Some highlights: -- Page 3: Overall activity level is good. Nice to see you engaged. Also, your brain was notably active when explaining the meaning of various sentences. -- Page 5: You showed the typical yellow "gut-feel alpha" state when doing eyes-closed activities like recalling a childhood memory. You were most engaged doing the pairs problem solving at the end. -- Pages 12 & 13: This is "Where you put your effort" right now, which differs from long-term development. The favored regions support Sensing and Thinking preferences. Looks like ISTP, which keep in mind is the "near opposite" type of INFJ, a type you've identified with in the past. Often a type and its near opposite can look quite similar in adulthood, especially if a person has ample opportunities to grow. -- Page 16: The giant starburst pattern is typical of dominant Intuiting types, folks in creative professions, and left-handers. Also, you show denser (red) wiring in the back of the brain, typical of introverts. And auditory regions T3 and T4 are well supported along with regions F8 and T6 the left hemisphere. Overall, long-term wiring looks like it supports INFJ preferences.
Please let me know if you have any questions. I look forward to skyping in the future.
Then you did the signatures from time 310 to time 370, with the standard signature first and off-hand second.
After that was the math problems.
As you can see from the chart, unlike most people, your activity was quite high during meditation and you didn't enter the usual alpha (yellow) band that most people do. Though you did manage to quiet your brain overall from time 160 to 180. And at the every end, from 280 to 310, your brain relaxed again and shows spikes in the alpha band (at 10 Hertz). Perhaps you needed more time to get into a meditative mode?
For the signatures, there were two spikes, each lasting a few seconds, as you started each part of the task, with activity dropping down thereafter. There's no big spike with the second like I'd see with many iNtuiting types.
2) On the Raw Circuit Diagram, faster is not necessarily better. On average young adults (ages 15-25) have a response rather than's 2 to 4 times father than older folks (age 55+). Of course, teens don't necessarily make better life decisions. ;-) As we get older, thinking may feel slower. Some folks do suffer from mild "brain fog", but the older brain also has more to sift through and consider; and even an adult at your age might take a "more considered" approach and look slower but make better choices. The best scenario = fast response rate + wise choices. Not sure how to mention that ;-).
"4) Regarding the starburst pattern, I believe that the so-called third function is essential when trying to understand type and many type descriptions skip it and miss it's important impact. Whether ISTP or ISFP, the third function -- introverted Intuiting -- plays a major role. For an ISFP, the opposite types functionally are INTJ and ENTJ, which are both very focused on problem solving. That problem solving often involves creative, efficient solutions to specific practical problems. The stereotypes around "creativity" often link it to music, art, etc -- but really creativity can show anywhere. "
********************************************************************************************************* "1) More consistent engagement resources is typical of folks with a Sensing preference, yes.
2) Regarding long-term wiring, yes, the Sensing-Feeling types may show a star-burst pattern.
At least within my study so far, ISFJs (3 of 7), ESFJs (5 of 9) , ISFP (4 out of 12), and ESFP (3 of 11).
These were not all strong: the only strong ESFP was the left-handed one. Creative types predominated among the ISFJs and ISFPs, and the ESFJs, I view it as nascent extroverted iNtuiting (ESFJ is very similar to ENTP and ENFP).
Among the Sensing-Thinking types, only the couple left-handers. No others showed a blip.
All the Sensing-Feeling types have an informing communication style that's more casual and live-and-let-live than their Sensing-Thinking counterparts. That might be part of it.
In terms of Sensing types having a starburst pattern, an ISFJ who had it said it, "makes sense, I drawn upon all my storehouse of experiences and knowledge when making a decision or trying something" or similar words, to that effect.
3) Remember, the EEG is about skills and developed self, not psychological preference. Of course, there is a relationship between the two: We tend to develop the skills that meet our psychological needs (as well as our practical needs). That relationship shows up as a statistical bias across groups of people, but individuals may vary. It's certainly possible to be a technically-mind ISFP or a soft-touch ISTP.
I recall an ENTP counselor who came in and her brain wiring was statistically like an ESFP except for one highly-wired region that was a favorite for ENTPs. Overall, she looked ESFP. Turns out her mom, who is also a counselor, has ESFP preferences. Like mother, like daughter! That's an example of someone with a Thinking preference looking like someone with a Feeling preference in particular, maybe due to career, upbringing, or both.
Sorry I can't be definitive. It's truly an opportunity to study yourself beyond the idea of type.
4) Part 2 varies for people. Clearly, you engage your senses in a pretty constant, even way compared to most people. I do see results like this. It's normal, just different from the folks who mentally check out somewhat (or checkout a bit!)"