Riyos turn!

Hi, riyo! Welcome

I was here typing you with Heron. We totally see the alpha quadrant in you. I was commenting that to me your signals are a sort of clone of mystery's signals, including the hardcore Ne dartings, etc.

To me you are an FeSi that has many Ne signals.
Heron agrees but he doesn't discard the possibility of NeTi.

FeSi is my personal 2 cents. ^^

Hmm. My first impression was actually NeFi. But I went back to review and see if I could see FeSi or NeTi, and to really analyze it closely. Being as lenient as I could, and leaving room for doubt regarding the J functions, this is what I found:



The vast majority of signals are Pe-lead signals. Body rigidity is virtually absent. Je gestures are rarely ever seen leading, but instead follow the pattern of "Explorer with Je energy" where Je signals cascade faster due to the augmentation of Pe. An actual Je-lead has, ironically, less pronounced Je signals but each is "solid" and "firm"/"exacting" rather than being flung about loosely without any force/impact behind them because Pe is trying to move onto the next.

So Ne-lead (or Pe lead at least) is a definite sell for me.

Regarding any signaling of the Ti/Fe oscillation, I saw:

- zero Ti cooldowns or neutralizations (her articulation is speedy, non-stop, avalancing, and also escalates to high velocity without any swelling)
- no Fe exerted pushes (every Je gesture was snippy, off-handed (like, flung out without much thought), and non-impactful. there was no coordinated presentation, and everything was loose-form)
- zero Ti meticulous hands (although her hands weren't on screen very much, when they were they were in a more stiff and blocky form, as we see in Te)
- some Fe-ish smiling (this is the only possible signal of the Ti/Fe pairing that I see. which is only seen in static places or by the general shape. but i'll offer some screenshots below. in general, the dynamic movements of her mouth don't reflect this occasional static appearance, which points me away from Fe)

meanwhile I see a lot of:

- Te snippy/jitter body movements
- Te avalanching speech
- Te dismissive browraises and headshakes
- Fi asymmetrical expressions
- Fi sassiness (in the combination between her Te snippy head tilts + momentum + Fi tension)

Here are a few collages of the mouth that I took from the first minute. This first one has more of the static smiles I found, which show some Fe-esque elements:



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Still, even in these images, we see some of that asymmetry, and a taut type of pulling happening. In images like the bottom-left, we see what I call Fi convex lips. It's a signal where the lips are exaggerated into a pursed shape running vertically up to the nose and down toward the chin - as per the Fi chapter. We see a lot of this in her video. This following collage shows more of the clear Fi signals I see in the first minute:



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Psychologically

I see a lot of divergent energy, tangent-hopping and idea hopping. There's a lot of realtime speculation and troubleshooting (Ne). But there's also a lot of dismissiveness. Whenever a topic comes up which hasn't been keenly explored, it's leaped over in a very Te way - such as the topic of religion or war/politics. Even accounting for some nervousness in the video, this zero-cooldown time + dismissiveness + divergent energy and a constant avalanching speaks to a heavy Te+Ne duality.

There's also an emotional influence always about her, as topics are passively weighed for their resonance or dissonance with her -- then vocalized by Te. Evaluations are not done at all in the "technical" or "semantical" way we see in Ti and Fe. no efforts are taken to speak from the cultural or social atmosphere, no checking is done to calibrate the perspective against the audience's possible perception of the topic (i.e. via Fe disclaimers or clarification) and so forth. With nervousness we would actually expect an excess of that, but instead there's a greater pressure to "Te" through questions.

This sort of social adjustment is something that even Fi users learn to apply with time, but the lack of this actually speaks to a  double development. Ne+Te being strong, while Fi is given a little less concern (subconscious) with ethics sometimes arising as a situation calls them, rather than from a rigid ethical framework.

riyo - what do you think of this profile-in-progress?

...yikes, this is a long post! >.>
but I just wanted to offer my alternate take on it. throw a wrench in the typing chain, lol. sorry. it's just what I honestly see.

(oh! there's threads on ct? what community did you come from? as far as i knew, typology was just ignoring CT )
lol, you're right. i really don't know why deltas have such low representation in blacks.

but i know there's a danger of not rightly typing blacks as deltas due to structural/anatomical reasons. for example, even the most heavy Fi-using blacks will often have wide, seemingly zygomatical smiles, like Janet Jackson and Prince Nelson. So immediately, a surface analysis will bring to mind "Fe!". And the eyes, because of the contrast between the dark skin and whites of the eyes, creates extra "sharpness" which suggests more "Se".

it's possible that there are more black deltas than they seem, and we need to adjust for that more in the samples. caucasians have a smaller mouth area, so tension appears by default more vertical. i think these are very important things to account for, but they are more advanced and subtle cues. one of the things i like to stress is not relying on static cues but to use dynamic cues. and especially to not rely on just 1 or 2 signals for identifying a function, but only do so when the whole cluster of signals lines up. i really need to get the CTVC up to allow for better standardization, and that's my fault. c.c

Erifrail, it wasn't on another forum but rather here on CT. Someone made the observation here and there was some discussion going. cognitivetype.boards.net/thread/831/black-asian-distribution-split-thread

I guess some celebrities I relate to or just like would be: Sade, Eliza Dushku, Tatiana Maslany, Sza, Utada Hikaru, Taraji P Henson etc.

I guess I just don't think I make connections the same way a Ne lead would make, but yeah you're the expert here...

I read into some of the Te telltale signs like monotone voice, nasally intonations, etc and I just don't have that if my Te is as strong as my Ne lead?

I would make a new video but I don't think I'll have time to... it's funny, I saw a situation like this coming--being matched with a CT that I didn't think I was

Ryio, I dont know if this is going to make any difference to you, but I am one hundred percent sure you are not an Ne-lead. You dont have an Ne-mind, nor unconscious Ne, because Ne is not among your functions . And your vultology to me is miles away different from that of any NeFi Ive seen so far (Or NeTi, /o\ nonono) (regardless of their development or racial background), except for the presence of Te signals. I am extremely flexible and open-minded to see things in a different and new way and I ended up seeing NeFi in..., for instance, Xander is indeed NeFi but this case of yours is really a case of no, no, no way. When I used the word expert I was actually meaning that no expertise coming from any typoligist in the world imo can make u believe u have a function you arent able to see operating in yourself, because you do have knowledge about functions.


I think u probably are an SeFi, with pronounced momentum.

PS: I just saw heron's post. Yes, I also would be glad to see an interaction video, hoping for a consesnsus.

I tried to look through the video once more and see what I can offer. Relatively new with this system of visual typing so I might not be hitting the right target.

• :00 to :07 Ti neutralization after a Fe warm smile; natural
• :12 Fe smile, no horizontal clashing, corners of smile moving up diagonally
• :12 Fe checking
• :16 sighing, impersonal (eyes looking at camera) and done for effect to show exasperation
• :22 Fe smile

starting from 1:57 to 2:05 there is a stop-start Fe gesticulation where from 2:02 there's a couple of seconds of winding down and a dispassionate stare at 2:04, then at 2:05 and on wards it starts again...
and again at 2:14
then again another stop at 5:18 and a start at 5:22 then its back to suspension then a start right after at 5:29
stop 6:02 start 6:08
all this as opposed to Te's monotone expression.


some Fe warm swelling I picked up on
1:17 to 1:30, climax at 1:22
5:03 to 5:11, climax at 5:07

there's really no slow Te lingering after these steep climaxes.


I'm also confused with this statement..



I thought these instances showed Te? I don't know...  I just don't see Fi sassiness/passive aggressiveness either


Heron Janelle and Kerry are both super cool, I agree Kerry is a sure fire Fe lead, even though she has a tendency to talk with a sneer and her upper lips raises towards her nose in an Fi way.

tbh @morsecode I'm not sold on SeFi either , of all the typings I've been given, I think I see the SiFe most even though Si is like out of bounds lmaoo

but yeah I'm open to more interpretations..

I'll try to see if I can get a interaction video going? lool.