Just wondering if anyone has noticed any correlation between dance and types.
Many of the ummm...not-so-great dancers I've witnessed seem to be Te-Fi types...is that a simple coincidence or is there something else to that? I'm talking about that dude who does not seem to "hear" the rhythm. Not just the dude that hardly moves but the one that moves enthusiastically, just not to the rhythm of the music. And looks dead serious about it so you know he is not kidding around but is really trying hard and failing to do it 'properly' or may even be unaware that he is doing it badly.
PS: this is not a lets-make-fun-of-this-type thread. I am genuinely interested because I think I have noticed a pattern among a small number of people I know (who I've seen dance), not a big enough sample to make general comments on though.
Speculatron says... It wouldn't surprise me to find a small correlation like you are talking about, but I'd differentiate social or casual group dancing from other more individual or artistic forms. Dancing in a group context, it makes sense that Fe-Ti users would be more inclined and more able to track reception of their movements fluidly moment-to-moment, and be more prone to actively refine and adapt their movement to synchronize. I'd also expect Fe-Ti users, especially Fe>Ti, to be generally more interested in this kind of dancing, and thus more practiced and/or confident on average.
From what I've seen, dance as a form of artistic expression seems especially compelling to high Fi types (probably FiSe and SeFi most of all, given the added visceral edge from Se) but any type may pursue this of course. Among Fi-Te users, social dancing seems more appealing and comfortable to seelie high Fi types than the unseelie and the high Te, for reasons I think are self-evident.
I know a very seelie NeFi who is a talented dancer, in a casual social context and artistically. She has great rhythm and actually majored in dance in college, and is also incredibly good at the flute...and calculus, and 20 other things...typical medaer
I wouldn't expect the root of any difference to be a natural lack of rhythm in Fi-Te users, nor a greater rhythmic propensity in Ti-Fe users. If you evaluated rhythm through something else, instrumentation maybe, I would not expect the same correlation.
Thanks for the comment sitbone. Actually I was not referring to Fi -Te types at all.
The guys ive noted are specifically Te leads. But I get what youre saying.
I dont think Fe-Ti types are naturally good dancers. I think Se types are, though.
But among the Te (males in particular!) camp in my circles, I have noticed a distinct oblivion to the rythm of the music itself. They could be in a group or solo. Wouldnt matter.
While Fe may make people more attuned to the group/social rythmic dynamics, what i am talking about is not that at all but attunement to the music itself.
For example, i much preferr to dance to music itself spontaneously and feel stifled having to do a circle thing where i am responding to other people's movements rather than to the music and my own feelings. Unless they are responding to me! But following other people's lead rather than the song itself is not something I enjoy at all. Unless it goes with the music well. If their movememts match the song i guess i could pick it up too but in generall there is a tinge of awkwardness.
I live for cameraderie and enjoy the carefree setting of the whole group dancing like crazy but only because it means i dont have to be shy since we are "allowed" to be nuts when that happens. But I prefer dancing to the music itself.
My Te lead friends dance enthusiastically but honestly they cant seem to hear the basic beat, the skeleton of the song itself, the tempo. The song could be built on a rythm ta-ta-ta and they would be dancing to tateta-tateta. The basic "hits" of their movements does not match the "hits" of the music. Thats what i was referring to. Also wasnt talking about Fi - Tes or even NiTe and SiTe...maybe its just a coincidence that my Te friends struggle with rythm!!!
“If every tiny flower wanted to be a rose, spring would lose its loveliness.”
Aqua Ah I see. We're using different shorthand (I use Fi-Te and Te-Fi types interchangeably for anyone with that oscillation).
"While Fe may make people more attuned to the group/social rythmic dynamics, what i am talking about is not that at all but attunement to the music itself.
For example, i much preferr to dance to music itself spontaneously and feel stifled having to do a circle thing where i am responding to other people's movements rather than to the music and my own feelings. Unless they are responding to me! But following other people's lead rather than the song itself is not something I enjoy at all. Unless it goes with the music well. If their movememts match the song i guess i could pick it up too but in generall there is a tinge of awkwardness."
Yeah I was vague about this too. By group dancing I didn't mean coordinated organized forms of dance; I was referring to the spontaneous form you prefer, just in a social setting or with a group of people. I was suggesting (based on pretty baseless speculation) that Fe-Ti users might more easily and eagerly refine their dancing skills, including rhythmic coordination to the music, simply because they more naturally respond to how others receive them moment-to-moment...typing it out again, I don't see what I was thinking...probably nothing there.
On just Te-leads...the speculatron is mostly out of juice. All I can say is that I would guess Te-leads on average have less interest in dance, particularly the casual social kind mentioned, but that doesn't really satisfy the trend you're seeing. Maybe some of the TeNi lurking around have some first-hand input. I don't think I've seen a single TeSi get typed on here, as far as i remember.
I'm not sure that I've noticed this specific correlation, although I haven't seen many Te-leads dance. I dated a man for a while that I believe was TeSi though, and he was quite good at dancing. We had some fun on the dance floor at parties ^^ If I were to make a broad intuitive statement, I'd say that skill in 'movin to the music' likely depends mostly on the individual, and how much practice they have at identifying rhythm and dancing.
EDIT: As Sitbone mentioned, I do think there's something to the correlation between high Se users and more natural precision in coordination. If you watch k-pop dancing, like on this channel, there seem to be a lot of high Se users. Of course, there are quite a few awesome Ne dancers on youtube as well, but there's something very 'crisp' and accurate about the way Se moves in comparison.. at least, that's the way it seems to me :3
Thank you both! I guess it's just a weird little coincidence then. I was at a Christmas party not too long ago in which almost everyone I know in this part of the world danced like crazy for hours and hours. I noted all my observations then!
I agree with you both about Se and dancing. No person I had suspected of Se use turned out to be a poor dancer. They werent even trying. They were goofing around the floor and still outdancing everyone, drawing everyone to try and ape moves that when they did them looked so simple but everyone else just looked comical doing.
“If every tiny flower wanted to be a rose, spring would lose its loveliness.”
I don't think there are any hard rules about this, but possibly small general correlations. I have no doubt that there are many capable and enthusiastic dancers with naturally good rhythm who do not use Fe or Se, such as the medaer I mentioned above. That said, I can see how individuals who heavily use Fe or Se could be at least slightly more prone on average to develop an interest in some form of dance (I would also add Fi to that list), for reasons specific to each function. Now though, I'm thinking of Ne, Ti, Ni, Si and even Te, and can easily imagine how each of those functions could individually find something gratifying within some layer of the activity, which specifically engages their process...
2 cents more simply: As I see it there may be some correlations, but they are probably not very large, and the exceptions to the patterns are probably so common as to render the distinctions virtually meaningless.