Hi! New member here-- discovered the website and forum this week and have been spending every free moment soaking everything up--- love all the work and thought put into everything here! I do hope this forum is still active though; it's definitely the most interesting one I've found on typing yet. So I'm still practicing reading people and signals and was wondering if you guys could help me out with this guy-- he's a Swedish/Lebanese singer/songwriter who sings in English, a few Arabic dialects, French, Indonesian, Turkish, Russian, and Urdu to name a few languages. I couldn't decide between FeSi and NeFi, but I'm completely new at this and am hoping to see what you think he is and why. Here are a few videos of him, the firsts an interview in Swedish, the language I think he's the most fluent in but he does seem a little nervous with the interviewer. The second's in Arabic, which he has ok proficiency in but you can see his eye movements in this video a little better. The third and fourth are in English which I think he is a little less comfortable in so he makes up for it by overdoing it with the hand gestures. But I feel (esp in the short clip) he has less chub on the face here so maybe you'll be able to detect snarls and whatnot a little better.
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Woah, I'm not that important. And I'm certainly fallible (still learning) but here's a go...
The Fe is very strong in this one. He has charisma, charm, Fe warmth in gesticulation, wide suave smiles, and a methodical way of moving himself. We can see this Fe in some moments like this:
Coordinated hand gestures + nods + pushes. Everything is well timed (Fe "on-beat") and delivers his ethos in it.
He's also got very clear Pe energy going on. We see a lot of loose body swaying, animated/alert eyes, momentum, etc. Here are some gif highlights:
few parts to this one: 1. loosely swaying his head, and upper torso. slightly causing his head to steer his body. 2. then going into another Fe gesticulation, very on-point 3. then transitioning again to a more casual/chill posture with the sleeve-roll
It seems as though the Fe gesture is embedded within more natively loose energy. There's a general absence of J-lead rigidity.
This one has a lot of playful energy in it. Two elements here: 1. the head is casually flinging about, with a little bit of a rattle 2. the hand is making a sort of pseudo-gesticulation. This signal is called P-5 Subordinate Judgment. It's one of those I haven't defined very well yet.
But in general, it's when the strength of a judgment gesture clearly cannot take over the looseness of a P-lead body, so what happens is it comes across lukewarm like in the above. The P-leadness refuses to be made entirely rigid, so there's always that laid-back feeling running beneath the surface.
If we look closely, the same thing is apparent in the GIFs above this one (and across the whole video), as the Fe gesticulations are an intermission between two very fluid body sways, or simultaneously happening along with a tilting of the head or leaning of the body.
I think it's safe to say his native energy is extroverted, meaning he's some sort of FeNi/FeSi or SeTi/NeTi. But things lean far more in favor of SeTi or NeTi. Now from here, things get a little subtle.
Although, isolated from context, his eyes appear more soft and cushiony than they appear sharp, we see every other indication of Se/Ni. If we look closely we see:
Se/Ni steadiness (his eyes don't appear very scattered. they have a very constant quality and move their gaze in intervals according to the conversation and gesticulations of the body)
Se steering of the head (there is almost a 1:1 relationship between where he looks and where his body follows. this is not true of Ne eyes which will dart around a lot more)
Se presence is tricky to put in words so here's a few images:
When there's Se "presence", the body is weighty, with a level of density as well as comfort in its environment. Every movement or gesture involves the whole body in its operation. So for example, that finger point in the bottom GIF has a bit of contribution from the head and neck, and fits perfectly in line with the rhythm of the whole body. Or in the first GIF, the way the hands move has a *grit* to them, and they fall back on his lap seamlessly, with density.
In contrast, the energy of Ne is disjointed. Limbs often remain a needless second longer in arial suspension, or land in more awkward places. They're "floaty" and ambiguous in their motions. This is because Se is a very kinesthetic function, so it has an integrated awareness of its body with its consciousness. Hence, there's an ease in coordination. In contrast, high Ne users will feel (to an observer) like they're a floating head attached to a body, rather than a mind-body entity.
So, all that said, he seems a pretty straightforward SeTi (likely SeTi-Fe). FeNi and NeTi would be the other possibilities, I think, but more unlikely.
Thank you for the thorough and detailed reply... and sorry for replying so late. I'm terrible at forums and this is the first or second one I've joined
I've reread your post several times now and it's clarified a lot of things, especially about what Cognitive Type's current theories and signals are. And it's definitely helped in identifying signals and quadrants in those around me, though I still need a lot of practice. I've got the book now and have been checking your new signal blog posts on the site and learning a lot; hopefully I'll reach more of a pro status soon!
And SeTi definitely does make sense for Maher Zain psychology-wise. He seems to have high appreciation and interest in Se. I guess I was thrown off by the cushioned eyes as you said, and thought FeSi/NeFi. Now I've gone back to see the NeFi videos on the site and see I was totally off.