Hello guys and welcome to round two! ~ So here are five new celebrities not listed anywhere prior to this. As with the other thread, the reads will be revealed at the latter part of this week, or whenever it seems everyone's participated. We will let it go a bit longer this time. Remember everyone can participate, even if you're very new at this feel free to take your guess.
Terry Crews: Some Fe/Ti type with some Si scowling going on, I'm thinking ESFJ. Elvis: His voice is light and airy, makes me thinking Fi type, also asymmetric smile. He doesn't have naive eyes, but has that Se intensity. So I'm thinking ISFP. Carrie Anne Moss: She kind of reminds me of Adam Sandler, but not as interpersonal, off the bat I'm thinking ISTJ. She does that Fi laughing to herself thing and has some Te hand movements. I also think she's an introvert, she doesn't have that extrovert energy. Dwayne Johnson:ESTP, does the Ti disengaging and Fe articulation and has Se eyes. They move around a little bit but return with intensity. Princess Daina: Fi for sure, very sullen and just exudes inner sadness. She kind of reminds me of 50 cent, ISFP.
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well, i decided to make a little break from the study because "I_MUST_V_READ_SOMETHING " ok: Terry Crews: I see a lot of Fe in him, to me seems the typical "party guy", i watched other videos on youtube, and i see Si/Ne, in this video is much more clear:
a lot of Ne imitations, Ne scattered drifts, but he doesn't blink too much... so i've started to think he's a NeTi... but he is an obvious J lead for me, so... For me FeSi with an heavy Ne Elvis Presley: He had Mascara on the eyelashes in that video .__. anyway, i see Fe/Ti, and i see a P lead. watching other videos online is more clear, in this for example:
0:56 1:34 for me those are clear Ti pauses. A little confused with the Ps, he makes me think of Trent Reznor for some reasons (and he himself isn't that clear), and in the "Official" video of the thread at 2:38 he have some piercing eyes... i'd tentatively say NiFe on Drugs (come on, is clearly on drugs in most of the videos).
Carrie Anne Moss: She's identical to my mother, also characterially. Seems J lead to me, her face is almost expressionless despite the warm intonation, sign of Tx? Again the p's are a problem to me (argh). Well, she blinks a lot, but i don't se any other signs of Ne or Si, maybe her blinking are not a sign of Si but simply a sign of embarassment, so, i think she has Se/Ni. Returning to the J's, n this video she's much more reflexive:
So, for me she's a TiSe.
Dwayne Johnson: ok, Se/Ni, and in other videos is clear that he's P lead. Now the J's: he has a wide and warm Fe smile, i think SeTi.
Diana: she had a low airy voice, 1:33 a quick eyebrow raise... yeah, for me she was an Fi lead. She had some eyes that where somewhat piercy, but they don't seems Se/Ni. For me she was a FiNe, otherwise, FiSe.
P.S: Is curious how we have done some so different readings i can't wait to see the result.
{Spoiler} Terry Crews-FeSi Elvis-FiSe---edit:P-lead SeFi Carrie Ann Moss-TiSe Dwayne Johnson-TiSe---looked at another video of him this morning because I wasn't exactly sure last night. I'm still positive on Ti/Fe judging-lead, but he's Je>Ji and Si/Ne FeSi Edit: No idea how I left out Di! FiSe
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Terry Crews: I'm not sure if it's possibly just the way his brow is structured, but he looks like he has some really heavy Si use. It's almost constantly overshadowing his eyes, and the few times it isn't look a lot like Ne "perk-ups" where his eyes get that sort of naive quality to them. His judgement functions are a little less clear to me. When he uses his hands they look a lot like Ti/Fe hands, in my opinion, as they spread at the fingers usually in the meticulous Ti way and also (for example: the very beginning of the OP video) often seem to push with his words like Fe emphasis (the very beginning of the OP video actually reminds me a little of Tessa Violet's hands in the NeTi video (less pronounced, but they have a similar motion and rhythm)). However, he also portrays (what looks to me like) Fi sassy body swaying (OP video 1:00). Actually, nevermind. That looks just like P-lead body swaying. I'd guess SiFe, but perhaps NeTi (although, he just doesn't really give off the same feel that I find in NeTis, also his Si use seems more pronounced than his Ne use). SiFe it is.
The King: He looks pretty obviously Fi/Te, to me. Every smile he has is off-center and snarly-ish. His eyes are a bit harder for me to be certain of. At times his eyes appear to have an Ne quality, but they lack the Si aspect of that. And also I see a lot of Ni, but not very much Se lock-ons. I'd say he's probably an Ni/Se user, though, with Ni being used a lot more than Se. In this video and in some other one I looked up on youtube, he seems more laid back and less structured in terms of body language (P-lead). He shifts his weight a lot and I can't really tell if that's Pi viscosity or Pe momentum, but I'm leaning towards Pi (also, he doesn't show very much Se use which I would expect if he were an Se-lead). I'd say probably NiTe (although that seems odd, as he doesn't really strike me as one either. I dunno).
Carrie Ann Moss (can go through the Green Glass Door): (short on time, I've just realized. Analysis won't be as in-depth hereafter). Ni/Se user. Fi/Te also. Je-lead, maybe. TeNi? Nope, changed my mind. Ji-lead. FiSe?
The Rock (people need to stop giving him jobs, he's really not that great of an actor (same goes for Vin Diesel)): Steady Ni/Se eyes, not a lot of playfulness. Eyes lead body = P-lead. Not the same level of momentum as Pe. NiJe? (That's three Pi reads now, and I'm getting very dubious). Thought he looked like Fi/Te at first, but now I'm seeing more Ti/Fe. In terms of this so far he'd be another NiFe, but I'm not 100%. I'll review these when I have more time.
Princess Diana: Steady Ni/Se eyes (scarily steady). Eyes don't necessarily move with face = J-lead. Receding energy/little movement = Ji-lead. I can't tell if her voice is Fi airiness or just the British/welsh/whatever accent. I can't see any real smiles but her mouth looks like it has some natural asymmetry to it. Tentatively FiSe, but possibly TiSe as well.
Elvis Presley: SiTe He shows a lot of signs for Te/Fi. Te brow raises, Fi snarl, and he has asymmetrical smiles paired with a more monotone voice to indicate Te>Fi. He doesn't strike me as a Te-lead in his voice or posture, and when he answers questions you can see how his eyes look around sometimes then immediately go back to the person he is speaking to. I'm not sure, but I think this indicates P-lead (I do this a lot too). His posture and whatnot looks like a P-lead to me as well. I think that he is Si/Ne>Ni/Se because his eyes don't look like Ni eyes to me, and since I think he has Te>Fi, he would have to have heavier Ni. He doesn't really blink often, but you can see that when he is looking forward he blinks a lot more than he usually would, which is what Si does. His eyes sit casually in his sockets.
Carrie Anne Moss: TePi She has a Te voice and Fi smile. Seems she can get quite assertive sometimes. Not sure on perception functions because her eyes look like Ni eyes, but she does a lot of blinking and general moving of the eyes.
Dwayne Johnson:SiFe (or NiFe) He is a very clear Fe/Ti user to me. His voice sounds Fe, and his smile is Fe. He looks like a Pi-lead because he is always looking/drifting to the sides, and he is lead by his eyes. I'm not sure if he has Ni or Si; his eyes look like Ni (eyelids covering top of eyes), but he does a lot of blinking, looking around, and searching scowls. I'll say SiFe>NiFe.
Princess Diana: FiSe She has a Fi voice. You can see the sorrowful look on her face throughout many images. She also has Te brow raises. Her rigid posture and Ji referencing makes me think Fi-lead. As for perception functions, her eyes look very tired and open/penetrating.
Well, these are my answers. Erifrail is yet to post his though, so the final consensus will have to wait.
Terry Crews - FeSi He's articulator lead for sure, and has emotionally animated, warm pushes. In many of his videos he gets really Ne, with all types of Pe momentum and self-parodies.
Elvis - NiTe He expresses a lot of Fi, but the most noticeable thing about him is that he's a Pi-lead. He has Ni hypnotic eyes that lead his whole head and upper body in viscous swooping motions. Since Ni is clearly his dominant function, that makes him NiTe with heavy Fi expression.
Carrie-Anne Moss - TeNi She seems articulator-lead. Although she clearly has Te/Fi, she does put emphasis on her words and uses head movements a lot to accentuate her points. Her eyes do have an innocent look to them sometimes, but they look sleepy in a lot of videos and remain fixed forward with a penetrative stare. I'd say Ni/Se > Si/Ne.
The Rock - FeSi Fe is very clear, and he seems to be an articulator lead. I had a bit of trouble discerning his perception functions from this interview, but upon looking at some images of him, he definitely has Si/Ne.
Diana - FiSe She seems Ji-lead. Her voice is very light and airy, and she has a Fi smile that is more intentional than if Fi was below Te in her functional stack. Her eyes remain very fixed and are opened wide to perceive the world, very clear Se.
Mmhm. I agree with Alerith. Terry Crews: FeSi Elvis Presley: NiTe Carrie Anne Moss: TeNi Dwayne Johnson:FeSi Princess Daina:FiSe
These reads were more challenging than practice #1, and a lot of new members gave it their shot, so the guesses were a bit different.
#) We all seem to generally agree with FeSi for Terry Crews. Yay! Indeed he has a lot of warm articulation/Fe, and his demeanor is one of natively proactive energy. He also has quite visible Ne, as Heron noted. He's quite a silly man, and does a lot of Ne-parodies. Since we all seem to agree on him, I'll skip to the next one. ^^
#) Personally I found Elvis Presley to be the most difficult of the five. He does seem Ni-lead with Te, but he has such incredibly prevalent Fi that it breaks the 'shell' of his Te. I suppose I wouldn't dismiss the possibility of a very Ni-heavy SeFi. He's an example of why polar types can be so difficult to tell apart, and they start to look very much like each other when they develop their processes. But he's not FiSe. He still remains perception-lead, and despite his heavy Fi it stays contained within the prevailing fluidity and consumption of his eyes. His body, as well as his mind, is visceral... not rigid or calculated (J-lead).
#) Carrie Anne Moss definitely isn't Ti-lead. She has very strong Te articulation. And her Fi snarling smiles are that of lower-Fi. She's a J-lead, shown by her rigid posture, calculated body and exacting articulation. Her eyes aren't the most prevailing aspect of he face, nor do they steer her body. Compare her to TeNi Mila Kunis: /watch?v=VjAhMRwQY6M
#) Some members guessed SeTi for the Rock/Dwayne Johnson. But his Ne eyes are quite clear, especially if you look at images of him (still images have better quality than video which is especially useful for telling apart the eyes). Such as here below. I could perhaps see NeTi as a very slight possibility, but not SeTi.
The top three images show his Ne naive eyes. Curious, gentle, sitting within their sockets. The bottom three images show him Si-scowling in such a way that they don't take away the naivete of the Ne eyes below them. It seems we all guessed Fe for him though, which is correct. =D
#) Princess Diana we almost all seem to agree is FiSe, which is quite incredible. Her eyes aren't Ne, indeed her shade is almost identical to 50 Cent, as well as Kanye West and Micahel Jackson - Fi Unseelie. And there's plenty of reason for her to be sorrowful/bitter, considering what she went through.
As with the other thread, feel free to ask us questions. These reads are debatable and we hope this can be a learning/interactive experience. The thread's open for discussion on the reads.
Elvis: mh... well, i think until we don't find a video where he was sober is difficult to say, maybe the pauses he made (that i interpreted as Ti processing) where caused by his state of mind when drugged/drunk. Another thing, if we find his type, i think we will find the type of Trent Reznor, they're very similar characterially (Trent is much more controlled, even when he was addicted).
for the others i don't have very much to say i'm getting better in the VR, i presume