Prompted by discord discussion on Smoggy's type, i realized we don't have a very sophisticated grasp on how to tell apart Se and Ne in asian ethnicity. So I'd like to open up a discussion on the topic, to better approach a large demographic that's presently missing.
^ as you can see, asian eyes generally look Se from a western baseline. the area around the eyes is anatomically taut, making it hard to see if the tautness is caused by ocular tension or not.
i've noticed my tendency has been to type against Se for asians to try to over-compensate for the anatomy, but that may not be the best assumption either. what do you guys think? can we form a new baseline for analyzing asian eyes?
And actually it can go the other way as well. To counter the above post, TiSe (alt: SeTi) Norman Chan has more of a Filipino shade and the spherical shape of the eyes, combined with an apparent softness they give, can create the illusion of Ne on a superficial level.
Here's a few more asian samples i have whose type i can confirm also from psychology and the rest of their signals...
An interesting video quantifying the anatomical features:
It's useful to know what this is called: Epicanthic Fold
Or to have some terminology to use for this in general...
^ the combination of all the above makes it so tension or lack of tension of the Obicularis Oculi muscle becomes very hard to differentiate from their heritage.
The video also mentions a "hooded lid", and usese NeFi Jennifer Lawrence as an example of it:
I find this to be quite fascinating because it's something that's thrown me off before and haven't known what to call it. Some individuals have a kind of swollen, fat layer above their eyes. And in Lawrence's case this is also combined with the epicanthic fold. However, her personality when examined holistically displays very clear Ne energy.
These are the sort of features that we need to "cancel out" when doing readings.
Interesting. I live in Southeast Asia, Indonesia, and I think the demographics here is quite different from the ones in East Asia. Asia is a big continent, and there are many ethnicities with different features here. Even I, as Chinese-Indonesian ethnic, and many other from my family have a quite different features from typical Chinese.
Just might be something you want to look up. (Some interesting keywords: Mongolians, Ainus, and Dravidians.)
(Also, I swear, Mike (the guy that looked like Jackie Chan in your post) is everywhere in youtube!)
Just few remarks I wanted to make wrt to Asian eyes being more Se-Ni compared to baseline:
There might actually be a lot of truth to this observation. I've seen a few studies on field dependence and independence that suggest Asian populations could possibly be more inclined to use an Ni-Se mode of perceiving. Here's one that's cited quite a bit. I can't find the published version but it is peer reviewed as well. I think I posted the journal version in the Discord but can't seem to find the journal atm, but:
But I think the operationalization of "cognitive styles" in the above was a lot different than the broader implications of the first study so I don't necessarily think this contradicts the the contention that there would be a tendency for Asians to have Ni/Se Se/Ni eyes.
I noticed that there were a lot of Asians in the TiSe examples, too.
Undoing the mind's idols and prejudice allows each element to find its place within a self-organising assembly. Deus sive Natura.
As an Asian person, I have a vested interest in this topic. I'm wondering how much information is gathered about Se or Ne from a static frame of someone's eyes and how much has to do with movement (toggling, perk-ups, locked-on eyes, bodily swaying, that sort of thing). It makes sense to me that the more you rely on someone's movement, the less the epicanthic fold could throw you off.