Wow! This is actually a really cool topic in general, in terms of how it may (or may not) potentially relate to CT.
As a type that uses the Ni/Se oscillation (and I swear that I'm getting more convinced of this with each passing day), I actually remember faces quite well. I do it so much more effectively than remembering names. It is almost as if, I apply visual/facial recognition in order to be able to keep the facial 'fingerprint' embedded in my brain for long periods of time. How that might be different for an Ne-user (or an Ne-dominant) would be very interesting to determine.
It would be such a curiosity to determine how well facial recognition trends would alter depending on each person's cognitive type and to determine whether or not one of the two perception oscillations carry some advantage in this particular category. Also, within a given quadrant of oscillation styles, would it be expected that the individuals would have roughly similar/identical facial recognition similarities, or could the differences be dramatic even within a quadrant (or even within a specific type)?
Really fascinating topic for further investigation!
Yes and no. I can *see* people's faces just fine, and once I've seen a face I will generally recognize it just fine.
I do not store faces except on rare occasions. The file cabinets in my mind where the people are stored are all labeled by the first letter of their first name (or the name I primarily know this person by) and the visual image of their hair (in relation to how it usually looks, so height of the person plays a factor).
So it's not that I *can't* see or remember faces but I definitely don't prioritize them. Like if I were in the situation she described, lost in a crowd looking for my family, I would do the same and look for their clothes and hair and height but just because i naturally store hair as a primary identifier and also if you think about it clothes/hair present, overall (i think) more variance from person to person than faces do. Faces all have the same bits, y'know, two eyes, a nose, the mouth bit. Clothes and hair can be so much more varied and easier to pick out in a crowd. Hair can be long, short, big, small, tall, frizzy, straight, wavy, not to mention basically any color imaginable. Same goes for clothes.
So faceblind? No Faceindifferent? Yeah, I suppose that's an okay way of saying it.
I do have trouble placing names with faces. Name with person or job, no trouble. Celebrities are fine. It's the people around work and stuff that I always forget.
Hair is a big thing for me as well. I find it upsetting when people I know well change their hair too drastically, because for me hair is stored as part of the face and head. Hair is dramatically changed, and the person is dramatically changed.
I got 60. My memory for faces is okay, especially with a trigger. I have always had trouble imagining faces in my mind though, unassisted. It always freaked me out that I couldn't remember or imagine the faces of people -- even people I'm close to. Not sure what that's about.
Undoing the mind's idols and prejudice allows each element to find its place within a self-organising assembly. Deus sive Natura.
I agree with Cheeseumpuffs. I can go a whole movie and still be confused by the same two brunette males. I mostly don't see people, and when I do, they are almost caricatures for a short time. I immediately associate them with someone familiar. Then over time, I fill in the details (a very Si-Ne-Si process).
Se's don't see the associations I see. Then I point out specific features, and they go, "Hey, yeah..."
At first, I see little detail, but once I see a face, I know it well, and I could draw it if I could draw. I have pretty remarkable eyes for details. When I use them.
mikesilb, I think you are right about the processing. I've thought about that a lot, and Erifrail used to have a video that showed how Ne-Si and Se-Ni work.
Here's another thing: I can perform really well in most what I consider to be Se-related tasks under standardized testing, but it is NO WAY the way my brain operates on a day-to-day basis.
I did terrible. Fine on the individual ones, but horrible when they gave you six faces. One problem is that the'd use some of those faces for the individual line-ups, so I couldn't remember if I'd seen them there or in the grouping of six. And in the test group of three, I sometimes knew I'd seen the face in an earlier test.
Se-lead sis and cousin always kill it on the memory game tests at baby showers where they bring out tray of objects, take t away after 30 seconds and then you recall everything you saw.
People used to ask if I was mad a them in HS because I didn't say walking down the hall. No, I just didn't see you.
It's hard to say if it's always Ne or if what we think of as Ne is an adaptation to poor stimulus processing. It seems it could be an either/or type thing. When phonological skills are lacking, people will take the semantic route in reading. But that's also the route Ne would take. Also the route Ne would take is when it's in a hurry to make immediate associations. I've often thought Ne is a bit anxious in it's need to constantly search and associate. (Ne is cortisol)
I saw a girl yesterday who reminded me of a friend growing up. But people remind me of other all the time, and I thought about how I'd wasted time wondering "Is that so-and-so?" But I don't do that now. A certain threshold of recognition must be reached; "alike" isn't enough. It has to be "Aha!" But Ne likes to fire when there's just been a "Hmm..."
I think this begs the question of how neural networks are organized and their thresholds in Ne-Si users compared to Se-Ni users. WHy don't we have any cog sci people who can build neural networks? Where's Jelle? I can only do this on a KG level.
I scored 36 on the test (~50%, I think), and it’s no surprise cuz I’m quite lousy at remembering/recognizing faces. I think I’m even worse with names. But I’m not consistently bad at recognizing either one—if a face or a name makes a particular impression, I’ll tend to remember it. Still, poor name/face memory has caused me a lot of embarrassment over the years.
I feel like part of remembering faces involves being able to create, store and recall trivia, as described in the Si section of the book. The trivia, from what I remember, refers to abstracted, almost symbolic representations of whatever Ne picks up and caricatures: e.g. big nose, round face, curly hair.
But when I rely too heavily on trivia for face recognition, I think I tend to fixate too much on certain details, causing me to misidentify people or second-guess myself. So I also rely heavily on impressions. I guess what I mean by impression is something like the sensory memory that I associate with the person. In other words, I might have a strong sense of what it feels like to see the image of a particular person’s face. Yet I still might be unable to render such an impression into a picture with any kind actual detail. So by themselves, I also find impressions are unreliable for recognizing faces. In addition to being nebulous, they’re very context-specific. An impression of a person I don't really know might be tied to a particular place, for example. It takes time and experience--for instance, actually getting to know a person--for an impression to congeal into something that’s well-rounded and reliable.
So I guess in order to actually recognize faces I need a coordinated set of trivia and impressions.
I think the biggest problem, though, is that I sometimes have to meet people a few times before they start to really make enough of an impression to remain in my memory. It definitely depends on whether something about them stuck out or caught my attention. Also depends some on whether my head was in the clouds at the time I met them. (I noticed that during the 20 seconds that test gave me to memorize six faces, my attention veered off several times). And even when I have a strong memory of someone I only met once, the trivia/impression I remember might be more connected with, say, some interesting feature of their life than with the details of their face.
By the way, I found the way the faces were cropped in that test kind of grotesque and creepy—I guess it did make an impression, but maybe not the right kind to help me remember them.