Authenticity! You stole my heart! My kids love Moana, and I was tempted to explain the Trickster archetype to my son. Hehe. I was also thinking to volcano lady was Fi, but I wasn't sure. THe folkson Discord were saying Moana is Fe. I can definitely see a SeTi trickster stealing the Fi's heart. I suppose it's the Fe side that returns it.
We need a separate thread for Moana and then some other Disney movies.
Glad I stole it! I thought the goddess in her light version was total Fi, she's the source of life after all, Edin. I thought her darker version, the lava demon, was bitter/fallen Fi.
I thought Moana was Fe in her hero iteration, especially when she determines to go it alone after Maui leaves and faces Teka alone despite the odds (As an aside, Grandma Tala and the ancestors are clearly sacred Si)
But when she sees through Teka's scary exterior and into her hidden "humanity" despite the screams and fire and smoke and rage, I thought she was expressing the best form of Fi. Yet it could also be perfectly well understood as the Fe savior/hero coming to the rescue of the person in need.
And Lol, synchronicities! Just started a blog last week, giving in-depth reviews and analyses of modern fairy-tales, which includes mostly Disney stories and your post encourages me to keep it up! We should totally start a Disney discussion series too, but we could also do some Barbie Princess films in there: For example, did you enjoy Barbie in the 12 Dancing Princesses? The opening theme always gets me. I think its a honeypot of Fi sweetness and Si nostalgia for me.
Authenticity, I know few Disney movies. The two I've seen over and over happen to be the two Jordan Peterson constantly references - Pinocchio and LIon King. In fact, it's my seeing Ponicchio and noticing parallels between that and the Bible when I was young that later made me say "Yes!" to Carl Jung's idea of archetypes.
Also this little animation is beautiful. I love shadow theatre!
jelle and I had a brief discussion over in Discord and thought that we should add something to Vin's myth, namely a temporal element in addition to the cosmological element that you've captured well, Auburn .
The Terror | TiPe-Fe (IIII) - Today at 8:45 PM By the way, do any of you think that the Ni myth stuff should contain something more temporal too? The description so far is cosmological, which is fine. But it's been mentioned repeatedly that Ni carries a sense of inevitability to it, and that also make sense: if somebody understands the fundamentals of what exists, shouldn't they also understand how things develop? I think the prophet and seer may be the personifications of this dual temporal-spatial aspect of Ni.
jelliwulf | TiSe-Ni (II-I) - Today at 8:56 PM Yeah! Tdawg explained this once so simply: Ni doesn’t see a beginning without seeing the end. I thot that was super apt It really captures the holism of Ni and both the Pi functions have a temporal aspect, as you say I completely agree
The Terror | TiPe-Fe (IIII) - Today at 9:01 PM Oh, T had a good way of putting it. I think we should mention this in the thread.
Here is an example of what I mean by the 'prophet/seer', using Muad'dib/Paul Atreides from the series Dune (I'd recommend full volume since it gets unnecessarily quiet at a key point):
If you read the books, they're heavily saturated in Ni visions about cosmology and human nature, and how those are bound to develop, as well as in Se grittiness. The adaptations also have that Ni saturation, though in my view the 1984 movie executes it purely and superficially, while the miniseries captures the feel (and meaning) of the series much better, despite a lower budget, so I've included an exemplary clip above.
It's a great series overall, in my opinion, but I'll keep this in spoilers since it's somewhat tangential. There is a heavy ethical and political aspect to it which influences the overall purpose of the visions. Perhaps this is somewhat explicable by the CT of the author, Frank Herbert, himself, who appears to be some sort of JeNi (leaning towards TeNi):
I think this aspect of the Vin myth was also captured well on the page about the fictional NiFe Ryougi Shiki: "The causality of the ‘universe’ is entirely linear.... This atmosphere is Ni/Se, very strongly so. The sensational detail invested into the artwork, the amount of delicate care invested in making sequences and events flow in the ‘obvious-next-causality’ is phenomenal. There is little randomness (though there’s mystery, which is a different thing) in flow. ... The way Ni operates is via seeing the probable next causality from the literal present, as such to them there may be a strong sense of seeing the inevitability of the unfolding of reality. If this is applied to Fe, they may see the inevitable destruction of humans/societie(s). Many NiFe can become bitter due to this vision; their own inescapable perception. As depicted in the series by Shiki’s attempts to pluck out her eyes. [This ocular theme is also very much present in Dune, as Muad'dib only 'frees' himself of being dominated by fate once blinded, while also being able to see better and so warn others of the consequences of the process that he has started.]" cognitivetype.com/2017/12/16/nife-ryougi-shiki/
Edit: I forgot to make a final point. So: while the cosmological aspect of Vin focuses on the fundamental unity of beings (in whatever sense), the temporal aspect is focused on dynamic processes and what is bound to happen - events likely developing from our fundamental nature (like birth, growth, decay, death, rebirth) and/or from the dynamics of our wills (this can be tied to a Je function, often).