I sometimes have really cool back-and-forths with members on discord, some in DM, related to important type questions. Only with the expressed permission of everyone involved, I thought I'd post some snippets here which I think might be interesting to others?
Please feel free to respond to any of it! If any of this happens to ignite a discussion, we can split to its own thread.
On Behavior/Personality & Cognitive Type's Eventual Profiles
Auburn as for what you say.. "there's no good qualitative descriptions of what these experience should [be/feel-like]" yea. i think in part the problem i've run into is.... that the functions are a bit like equations. How much grammar do you need to express the fundamental principle of an equation (e=mc2). If it's properly defined, the essential description is succinct. But the variability of it's expression is infinite. Just like how the mandlebrot goes on forever.
Auburn but yea, one of the things CT suffers -- and things like the Big5 dont -- is that CT defines types fundamentally... not behaviorally. the Big5 is a type of behavioral clusters system... so you can get a good feel of what the categories are in an experiential sense, because it's essentially build off of the net effect of those behaviors with CT, no specific behavior is guaranteed to emerge from a person with a certain function so the more elaborate the profiles get in asserting specific behaviors, the more it veers away from the fundamental definition. but that's not to say CT can't produce very elaborate profiles (generalities), and i definitely intend to with the 64 subtype profiles it just means those behaviors will be more statistically related, than definitively indicative.(edited) and we can actually objectively quantify this for example, we can take statistics of how many people who are purely-visually typed as FiNe... are vegetarians and the ratio, i would wager, would be at least 1 standard deviation above the norm doing the same tallying for hundreds of behaviors could produce an objectively/statistically generated profile for each of the types, with each cataloged behavior properly matched to, and emerging from, the signals first and foremost the behaviors would never reach 100%. but many of them would have a 90%+ correlation... So in 5 years from now the NiTi profile may say something like "you have a 92% chance of [believing in this philosophy][or being into this subject]" rather than suggesting definitively that they "will" be into it. because then that's when some ppl say "well i don't relate to that" (which is a fair response to have, its the model's presentation that needs to change in that case) according to a sample base of, say, 50 samples of this type. /end monologue ^^;
G. House I think I've read that too. In order for me to understand it though, I think I'd need someone else to describe their experience of it to me. yeah, I've read that link
Auburn i see. hmm, well it's not as magical as people make it out to be. Deep mind neural networks can already handle certain types of intuition the mysterious reputation that intuition has, is partly founded on ignorance, not because it necessarily has to be cryptic i personally don't experience intuition too much in the amorphous way it's sometimes felt. (i.e. via aha-moments, and sudden realizations) it can just be... very simple... association forming have you ever seen Criminal Minds?
G. House Maybe one episode
Auburn any shows like it?
G. House House? Sherlock?
Auburn sherlock comes close or fbi/cia shows. but anyways.. when the agents are sitting around the round table, trying to solve a case and sharing each-other's information, and they all 'solve' it by piecing together the data... that's intuition
^ looking at this image and understanding that there's a second eye there that was just removed from the photo -- is intuition the implied data, to fit the pattern with intuition, you could reconstruct the missing elements of this picture via photoshop and the clone tool
G. House Ok, I think I'm getting it. How do you experience intuition? Any examples?
Auburn i do it a lot in visual reading, when it comes to comparing people's appearances/mannerisms on a general scale. i don't always dissect each sample via timestamps (i do when needed) but i get a general sense of how strongly two samples correlate to one another via a mental association i then can confirm or deny this by watching them side-to-side on different video players and watching the degree of similarity play itself out in real-time but i made the association in a cognitive (intuitive) sense first, before checking with a side-by-side comparison. and i didn't have to do any signal tallying to get that initial association
G. House That's very helpful. Any everyday examples?
Auburn intuition is quicker than sensation, but also fuzzier
G. House Right now I have intuition as a sense of dissimilarity or similarity
Auburn yes, that's a very fair starting point for understanding it "similarity" is what i often call "associations" in the language of the model how many components of a pattern do two things share? you could even think of intuition as a kind of threshold system in the mind, that is constantly comparing things to other things if it goes above a certain threshold of similarity, the mind registers it and brings it into your awareness how this "image processing" of similarities is done, is via a complex neural network -- it's very fast but also very organic. same way we're teaching A.I. to learn
G. House Is it like the spectrum of = to =/=?
Auburn right, it's a spectrum the J processes are the cutoff points which is why things like Ni are a gradient... measuring always degrees of parallels between things
G. House So I just did Ni when I compared N to a spectrum
Auburn that's also why Ni often has a notion that everything is in some strong or vague way, interlinked with everything else lol yes
Last Edit: Sept 26, 2017 16:01:10 GMT -5 by Auburn
if you watch old disney movies, like Thumbelina, the seelie Fi energy comes out. some people argue that it's cultural -i.e. a sort of iconic 1950's social standard.. but that standard has its roots in something real. the disproportionate level of Fi/Te users in european and especially british/american populations fueled this idealization of seelie Fi which lead to Marilyn Monroe, Aubrey Hepburn, Jackie Kennedy, Princess Diana
possibly also betty boop
and so seelie Fi was conflated with the cultural anima since, to a Te demographic, Fi sorta is the anima
corvo
wow
Auburn | TiNe (ll-l)
which meant naturally Fi-lead women were all the more desired and iconized into fame
Auburn | TiNe (ll-l)
^ tinkerbell has some unseelie in her though inversely.... since we're on the topic Fe/Ti cultures like the Japanese culture idolize adaptive Fe in their anima concept of women
corvo
yes also southern europe
Auburn | TiNe (ll-l)
adaptive, shy, accomodating, gentle, submissive, waifu material interesting, southern european? like spain, italy? (i can definitely see spain and italy being Fe/Ti) italy moreso
PurpleJelliCakez | TiSe
yessss agree totally
corvo
yeah i think their architecture and society is Fe squares for people to meet up, run into people you know etc america and canada is Te/Fi. Very linear in design
PurpleJelliCakez | TiSe
i find adaptive Fe so appealing in girls, and seelie Fi so purty actually all my female frenz are adaptive Fe or seelie Fi i have one unseelie Fi and we fite a lot LOL
Meta | FiNe [III-]
I like both seelie and unseelie, too much of one or the other is outputting tbh. You get a seelie comment from an unseelie it feels so good lol
PurpleJelliCakez | TiSe
LOL i'm probably the most directive Fe of all my friends actually which is weird but i think i have a slightly darker vibe
Meta | FiNe [III-]
I liked tinkerbell because of the unseelie episodes so I think it works both ways