Ha, I've been wondering about Leonard Cohen as well. I definitely get a strong Pi vibe from him. I haven't had time to look at these videos yet, but in other interviews I've seen of him I definitely saw the lightweight inertia thing, although I don't remember that much scowling, etc. I remember thinking he looked more Si than Ni, but I don't know too much vultology stuff and could easily be wrong.
Edit: I've since looked at these a tad bit, and for whatever it's worth (which isn't much) I'd also guess SiFe-Ti. He looks very P-lead but I also see a fair amount of eye disengagement, etc. Also the fact that he was notoriously perfectionistic in crafting songs, poems, etc., and was into Zen Buddhism in his later years.
While he definitely looks more Si to me, I wouldn't be all that surprised if he were an Ni-lead. I remember him saying before he doesn't spend much time reflecting on the past, which would seem rather peculiar for an Si-lead. In the same vein, some of his lyrics convey a rather timeless or cyclical sensibility, like the beginning of the song 'Anthem':
The birds they sang, at the break of day Start again I heard them say Don't dwell on what has passed away Or what is yet to be
Yeah the wars they will be fought again The holy dove, she will be caught again Bought and sold, and bought again The dove is never free
He does seem Pi lead. I was thinking about him the other day. When he composed Hallelujah, he wrote so many verses that he had to pare them down. I was actually thinking of that after thinking of how P I am with generating lyrics.
ha this is a bit late, but I'd definitely go with PiFe for Cohen. he's very clearly a Pi-lead by his sedentary movement: tending toward the still yet quickly energized into movement which quickly dies down in fact, I'd say SiFe based of his overall movement, as I described: he's buoyant (quick to move and die down) in his momentum, resulting in lightweight inertia. there's a levity to him. I think a thread compiling polarized Ni-lead and polarized Si-leads would be enlightening in highlighting the differences in Si vs Ni-leads, regardless of polarization or not kind of a subjective note, but from what I remember of his music, it had a level buoyancy. a playfulness to it that reminds me of Ne:
Something you can see with Si eyes (and this not universal) is that on the face, the sockets dip toward one another slightly compared to Ni eyes. With Se-Ni, there is more dynamic symmetry, the face is more convex. Si eyes are a bit more concave. This isn't universal, of course, but it's one of those things I've noticed over the years that I'm finally comfortable saying "Yeah, I think that's a thing." I'm generally hesitant to the Socionics way of VID by pointing to physical features. But as we know, muscles exert forces upon the developing body.
P.S. I just love this second song you posted. I've never heard it, and I'm really glad you shared it. I've gotta download it.
teatime yeah, love that song too. I remember reading somewhere that he translated it from a poem from an Eastern European poet, Polish perhaps. He's one of the few sing-songerwriters whose songs I find myself returning to.
What do you mean with the Si-Ne unsymmetrical, concave dipping bit vs Se-Ni? Does it have to do anything with the "drooping Si-edges-of-the-eyes" (which are really clear in Cohen I think)? Do you have any Gifs? Sorry, but I'm really bad with visual descriptions.
Nadia, the best I can think of is how Natalie Portman's eyes sit kind of like doe eyes, while Ne-Si eyes sit along a flatter line. This isn't always true though. It also seems to be a Pi-Pe difference. I can't find any illustrations, and I tried it in MS Paint, but it was an abysmal attempt! lol