Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination

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Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 17, 2017 19:46:28 GMT -5 by once via mobile mikesilb likes this

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I don't know about anyone else, but I find that I am fascinated by the Ti vs Fi dichotomy and its philosophical implications.

I'm reading the book, and in the Ti section there is a section concerning Zen philosophy as it relates to Ti. Contrasting that, is Fi which has its own philosophical scope as it relates to mythology concerning the fae folk.

Two COMPLETELY different things. Yet, humanity is comprised of both.

I may have posted this in the wrong section, but it is most curious that such a radically different dichotomy exists.

In pop culture this dichotomy could be represented by the jedi vs the sith. In religion this dichotomy could be spirit vs flesh. "And yet if reason alone be baptised, are the passions pagan?" And so on.

Yet, this dichotomy is clearly inherent in humankind. (Feel free to move this post to the more philosophical section.)

I'd love to hear opinions and theories on this! :-)

Most curious indeed...

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Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 18, 2017 2:15:34 GMT -5 by leeleechirps2.0 via mobile mikesilb likes this

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For whatever reason I see Ni and Fi as more similar. Not the intention behind the person but how it manifests. I also see the zen like similarities of Ti. It be interesting for all 3 to be compared Head to Head. Interesting

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Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 18, 2017 7:05:53 GMT -5 by mikesilb once likes this

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Dec 17, 2017 19:46:28 GMT -5 once said:

Two COMPLETELY different things. Yet, humanity is comprised of both.

I may have posted this in the wrong section, but it is most curious that such a radically different dichotomy exists.

In pop culture this dichotomy could be represented by the jedi vs the sith. In religion this dichotomy could be spirit vs flesh. "And yet if reason alone be baptised, are the passions pagan?" And so on.

Yet, this dichotomy is clearly inherent in humankind. (Feel free to move this post to the more philosophical section.)

I think that we also have to remember the need for either of these two to tag-team with an extroverted counterpart (in order to complete the two judgement oscillations that we know and love). Otherwise, we can be deceived into thinking that there is no T in Fi types and no F in Ti types. The truth of the matter is that the natural mixing of T and F qualities in all individuals create less of a pure polarization than we think. At the same time, the two oscillations are quite distinct in their way of assessing the world and assessing their values within the world. The differences between the Fi/Te and Ti/Fe styles naturally do a great job of describing and expanding upon the natural Fi vs. Ti dichotomies, and I'm all for exploring similarities and differences between them.

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Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 18, 2017 9:57:52 GMT -5 by once via mobile mikesilb likes this

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Dec 18, 2017 7:05:53 GMT -5 mikesilb said:

Dec 17, 2017 19:46:28 GMT -5 once said:

Two COMPLETELY different things. Yet, humanity is comprised of both.

I may have posted this in the wrong section, but it is most curious that such a radically different dichotomy exists.

In pop culture this dichotomy could be represented by the jedi vs the sith. In religion this dichotomy could be spirit vs flesh. "And yet if reason alone be baptised, are the passions pagan?" And so on.

Yet, this dichotomy is clearly inherent in humankind. (Feel free to move this post to the more philosophical section.)

I think that we also have to remember the need for either of these two to tag-team with an extroverted counterpart (in order to complete the two judgement oscillations that we know and love). Otherwise, we can be deceived into thinking that there is no T in Fi types and no F in Ti types. The truth of the matter is that the natural mixing of T and F qualities in all individuals create less of a pure polarization than we think. At the same time, the two oscillations are quite distinct in their way of assessing the world and assessing their values within the world. The differences between the Fi/Te and Ti/Fe styles naturally do a great job of describing and expanding upon the natural Fi vs. Ti dichotomies, and I'm all for exploring similarities and differences between them.

That's a good point. The system really can't be broken down with functions in isolation like I suggested without distorting it, as far as I understand it at least. So my question has to be coupled to the oscillations since the functions can't really be divorced from the oscillations without changing the nature of the functions, I should have realized that.

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Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 18, 2017 11:52:06 GMT -5 by once

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Continuing on then, in humanity there is really no such dichotomy, exactly, given the oscillations, so the premise is false. And further, the dichotomies I presented have a moral or ethical tint to them (jedi/sith, spirit/flesh) which is also wrong and misleading, because there is no morality tied to cognitive functions and it would be a horrific thing to do so.

And so I have to re-think this question altogether. Perhaps someone else can frame this appropriately?

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Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 18, 2017 11:56:25 GMT -5 by once

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Dec 18, 2017 2:15:34 GMT -5 leeleechirps2.0 said:

For whatever reason I see Ni and Fi as more similar. Not the intention behind the person but how it manifests. I also see the zen like similarities of Ti. It be interesting for all 3 to be compared Head to Head. Interesting

That is interesting. I'll have to ponder this and see if there can't be some kind of mapping that makes sense. It is the potential insight into the nature of reality itself that I find the most intriguing about the comparison.

mikesilb Full Member Posts: 201 Type: TeNi-Fi Development: ll-l Temperament: ENF	Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 18, 2017 14:02:04 GMT -5 by mikesilb Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by mikesilb on Dec 18, 2017 14:02:04 GMT -5 I wonder if the following thread will contain nuggets of insight in terms of this particular discussion: Ji-Ni-TOE thread

leeleechirps2.0 Full Member Posts: 195 Type: NiFe-Ni Development: l--- Temperament: INF Tagline: The brain has a mini heart that pumps the neurons full of secrets	Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 19, 2017 13:24:47 GMT -5 by leeleechirps2.0 via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by leeleechirps2.0 on Dec 19, 2017 13:24:47 GMT -5 What is TOE? I keep seeing this and wondering what it is. I can’t imagine it’s the thing we have 10 of

Gomux Member Posts: 55	Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 19, 2017 17:34:02 GMT -5 by Gomux leeleechirps2.0 likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Gomux on Dec 19, 2017 17:34:02 GMT -5 Theory Of Everything, as in an overarching worldview framework. Check the thread mikesilb linked, it has some good thoughts.

once New Member Posts: 17	Ti vs Fi dichotomy fascination Dec 20, 2017 0:02:07 GMT -5 by once via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by once on Dec 20, 2017 0:02:07 GMT -5 That was a very interesting thread. I can't really do it justice at this point, but I did read it. Been busy. Need more time to think about these things.

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