TiSe ≠ ISTP (Auburn's explanation)
Mar 12, 2018 19:06:53 GMT -5 by bunee
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Post by bunee on Mar 12, 2018 19:06:53 GMT -5
Maybe I mean TiSe does not necessarily equal ISTP?
I was recently visually typed, and I thought I'd share some information from my messages with Auburn . I'm typed as TiSe (subtype TBD!) and I thought this meant I was ISTP in MBTI. I had a lot of questions of "wait, is this really? who am i? I don't fit the ISTP profiles nor do I identify with them, what does this all mean am I actually like this is this right??"
Hopefully this bit of conversation will provide more info about the differences
Auburn: [...] in case you had queries about NiFe
Me: Yes, this exactly. I have identified/I identify with INFJ profiles much more closely. I didn't openly tell people this, because I know so many people mistype as INFJ and I didn't want to be another person to do that. I gravitate to INFJ interests and "thoughts" significantly more than those of ISTP. People have told me "you should be a counselor!" since I was a teen, and not "you should be a mechanic/programmer/police officer" whatever ISTP profiles say about people. I also feel much more value-driven than what I believe ISTPs to be, significantly more as well. I also don't live in this world the way I think ISTPs do ("seeing things as they truly are in reality, using their 5 senses" what is that even?). At the very least, I have been an "intuitive" since I was 16, this cannot be!!!! [Adding to this portion of my explanation, I thought I was mostly using Ni, but TiSe would likely mean I'm unsure of Ni vs. Ti. Still open to better understanding this one]
Auburn: Oh right! Wait, before you do too much damage to yourself, I really should preface all this.
CT is its own system, and types here are very different from those of MBTI. The TiSe is almost nothing like the ISTP. From our research so far it's clear that the MBTI isn't a true depiction of the real diversity among humans. That's to say, what we've found is that the phenomenon MBTI was trying to point to -- and which is real -- differ considerably from the corresponding profiles it's created. Once you learn how to identify types in actual people, it forces you to toss away your boxes and preconceptions, and just witness the reality of human beings just as they are. And it's so much richer than the scaffold that MBTI has built.
Among these corrections, according to CT the MBTI-defined S/N split... doesn't really exist in the way it's described. The characteristics attributed to intuitive types are not actually representative of what real life high-Ne and high-Ni users are like. And this also isn't an attempt to be democratic and patronizing to "S" types; it really doesn't exist! Everything that MBTI claims S types don't do, they do. And everything MBTI claims N types don't do, they do. It's a false category, and it certainly plays with people's egos the most. The barnum effect is heaviest in that category.
And this is not too surprising, really. Everybody knows the N descriptions are aggrandized, as are the INFx ones.
But in just what ways, and to what extent, is what hasn't been isolated yet.
For example we have TiSe Elon Musk & TiSe Sam Harris, who are visionaries and intellectuals of highest rapport, with no shortage of ability to think abstractly, thematically, imaginatively and associatively. Before being a TiSe or NiFe, etc, in CT one is first a Beta type. And all beta types (Ti+Se+Ni+Fe users) have some access to all the modalities within that. TiSe's can channel Ni+Fe sometimes, and vice-versa, via a process called modulation.
TiSe
So far as starting stereotypes are useful -- and perhaps to override the MBTI one -- in CT the TiSe stereotype is more like a hybrid between a philosopher (Ti) and a breakdancer/finger-tutter (Se under Ti). The engineer or mechanic archetype better fits the SiTe and TeSi types. TiSe's only occasionally engage in sensory exploration, but when they do, they're very precise about it and have a heightened sense of aesthetic. They gravitate to, and create, symmetry/contrast. Another archetype for the TiSe is the martial artist, with martial arts being an example of a craft that takes precision (Ti), delicacy (Ji) and keen somatic focus (Se). If indeed you're TiSe-Fe, this is the "poised actor" subtype, which is a bit harder to explain.
These are all just my attempts to perhaps correct the general perception of the type at a surface level, without getting into the nuances of the metabolic processes! But of course, things go much deeper than this.
I was recently visually typed, and I thought I'd share some information from my messages with Auburn . I'm typed as TiSe (subtype TBD!) and I thought this meant I was ISTP in MBTI. I had a lot of questions of "wait, is this really? who am i? I don't fit the ISTP profiles nor do I identify with them, what does this all mean am I actually like this is this right??"
Hopefully this bit of conversation will provide more info about the differences
Auburn: [...] in case you had queries about NiFe
Me: Yes, this exactly. I have identified/I identify with INFJ profiles much more closely. I didn't openly tell people this, because I know so many people mistype as INFJ and I didn't want to be another person to do that. I gravitate to INFJ interests and "thoughts" significantly more than those of ISTP. People have told me "you should be a counselor!" since I was a teen, and not "you should be a mechanic/programmer/police officer" whatever ISTP profiles say about people. I also feel much more value-driven than what I believe ISTPs to be, significantly more as well. I also don't live in this world the way I think ISTPs do ("seeing things as they truly are in reality, using their 5 senses" what is that even?). At the very least, I have been an "intuitive" since I was 16, this cannot be!!!! [Adding to this portion of my explanation, I thought I was mostly using Ni, but TiSe would likely mean I'm unsure of Ni vs. Ti. Still open to better understanding this one]
Auburn: Oh right! Wait, before you do too much damage to yourself, I really should preface all this.
CT is its own system, and types here are very different from those of MBTI. The TiSe is almost nothing like the ISTP. From our research so far it's clear that the MBTI isn't a true depiction of the real diversity among humans. That's to say, what we've found is that the phenomenon MBTI was trying to point to -- and which is real -- differ considerably from the corresponding profiles it's created. Once you learn how to identify types in actual people, it forces you to toss away your boxes and preconceptions, and just witness the reality of human beings just as they are. And it's so much richer than the scaffold that MBTI has built.
Among these corrections, according to CT the MBTI-defined S/N split... doesn't really exist in the way it's described. The characteristics attributed to intuitive types are not actually representative of what real life high-Ne and high-Ni users are like. And this also isn't an attempt to be democratic and patronizing to "S" types; it really doesn't exist! Everything that MBTI claims S types don't do, they do. And everything MBTI claims N types don't do, they do. It's a false category, and it certainly plays with people's egos the most. The barnum effect is heaviest in that category.
And this is not too surprising, really. Everybody knows the N descriptions are aggrandized, as are the INFx ones.
But in just what ways, and to what extent, is what hasn't been isolated yet.
For example we have TiSe Elon Musk & TiSe Sam Harris, who are visionaries and intellectuals of highest rapport, with no shortage of ability to think abstractly, thematically, imaginatively and associatively. Before being a TiSe or NiFe, etc, in CT one is first a Beta type. And all beta types (Ti+Se+Ni+Fe users) have some access to all the modalities within that. TiSe's can channel Ni+Fe sometimes, and vice-versa, via a process called modulation.
TiSe
So far as starting stereotypes are useful -- and perhaps to override the MBTI one -- in CT the TiSe stereotype is more like a hybrid between a philosopher (Ti) and a breakdancer/finger-tutter (Se under Ti). The engineer or mechanic archetype better fits the SiTe and TeSi types. TiSe's only occasionally engage in sensory exploration, but when they do, they're very precise about it and have a heightened sense of aesthetic. They gravitate to, and create, symmetry/contrast. Another archetype for the TiSe is the martial artist, with martial arts being an example of a craft that takes precision (Ti), delicacy (Ji) and keen somatic focus (Se). If indeed you're TiSe-Fe, this is the "poised actor" subtype, which is a bit harder to explain.
These are all just my attempts to perhaps correct the general perception of the type at a surface level, without getting into the nuances of the metabolic processes! But of course, things go much deeper than this.