I find that I don't fully relate to Si...nor Ne as leading function, and I was told when typed that Si/Ne and Te/Fi are all conscious.
I wonder then if there almost needs to be a description for what a function is like when balanced by the other polarity? Like, what does it mean to be an Si lead if Ne oscillates quite frequently? I would imagine they wouldn't relate to typical Si leads... there wouldn't be that anecdotal rambling...etc. Nor would there be the randomness that is exemplified in the Ne dominant types.
Same for any function I suppose where the oscillation is more frequent.
Are there any plans to write more in depth about this phenomenon? Or has it been written and I just haven't found it?
We definitely need descriptions for this phenomenon, as it causes a new... third embodiment to emerge from the mix of the two. We have a few members polarized across Si/Ne who might have some insights for you:
Hi, Xena! Good timing because I just had some insite into this this morning. I'm NeFi with very strong Si as a child, and my son is SiTe with strong Ne. The two are different, but I can't seem to qualify just how yet. I can, however, explain how he uses Si. I don't think he's very Te conscious yet.
Introverted functions rely on constancy, while extroversion deals in real time dynamics. I couldn't figure out my son's weird penchant for proto-puns and indiscriminate correlating. I'm trying to think of an example, but I never write them down before they face from my memory. They are non-sensical to me, so they don't stick. Basically, he will hear or say a word or a phrase and then point out a portion of it and liken it to something in the environment. It's a very surface correlation (he's 8), but it's amusing to him presumably. Anyway, what struck me this morning (and it's not the first time it's hit me) is that Si, being introverted, is a constancy function. So rather than tracking environmental changes, it looks for - and expects - environmental constants. That manifests in quirky ways when Ne threads them together. His Ne threading is very real time, but it's referencing the constancy of phonology (which is S) and semantics. I should probably explain this when it congeals a bit more and I have a real example to give.
Anyway, in a sense my son can appear *more* random than me (because his Si is inside), while I am in many ways a conservative and prudent Si type. It's paradoxical and weird, and I haven't sorted it out just yet. I've just always asserted I have conflicting homing and ranging instincts. I dislike travel (which I consider more Si) because I'm prone to get attached, and I would like to live a thousand different lives and grow old with (Si) a thousand different (Ne) people. That's how my Ne-Si oscillation manifests in the deep core of my being.
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Hi, Xena! Good timing because I just had some insite into this this morning. I'm NeFi with very strong Si as a child, and my son is SiTe with strong Ne. The two are different, but I can't seem to qualify just how yet. I can, however, explain how he uses Si. I don't think he's very Te conscious yet.
Introverted functions rely on constancy, while extroversion deals in real time dynamics. I couldn't figure out my son's weird penchant for proto-puns and indiscriminate correlating. I'm trying to think of an example, but I never write them down before they face from my memory. They are non-sensical to me, so they don't stick. Basically, he will hear or say a word or a phrase and then point out a portion of it and liken it to something in the environment. It's a very surface correlation (he's 8), but it's amusing to him presumably. Anyway, what struck me this morning (and it's not the first time it's hit me) is that Si, being introverted, is a constancy function. So rather than tracking environmental changes, it looks for - and expects - environmental constants. That manifests in quirky ways when Ne threads them together. His Ne threading is very real time, but it's referencing the constancy of phonology (which is S) and semantics. I should probably explain this when it congeals a bit more and I have a real example to give.
Anyway, in a sense my son can appear *more* random than me (because his Si is inside), while I am in many ways a conservative and prudent Si type. It's paradoxical and weird, and I haven't sorted it out just yet. I've just always asserted I have conflicting homing and ranging instincts. I dislike travel (which I consider more Si) because I'm prone to get attached, and I would like to live a thousand different lives and grow old with (Si) a thousand different (Ne) people. That's how my Ne-Si oscillation manifests in the deep core of my being.
Hi TeaTime,
Thanks for responding...
When you say you're "prudent and conservative"...could you give me examples of what that looks like for you? Do you feel like you and your son relate really well to each other having a similar perceiving axis?
Do you see your son's Fi being conscious since it's in the same attitude as his leading function? Or more Te since I would think having an emphasis on the extraverted perceiving would pull the extraverted judging along for the ride?
That last line you said...."I would like to live a thousand different lives and grow old with a thousand different people." is very reminiscent of how I feel...minus the old part.
I've said that I would like to be an actor so I can know what it feels like to live a thousand lifetimes..each through the eyes of each individual.
I thought of something else this morning that you might relate to. What was it? It'll come back.
Yes, I very much relate to my son! He is my Mini Me all the way. It's really amusing, and I really get him. Fi is something that's always present and observable in Fi users, even when unconscious. It's always judging. I can't see how conscious it is in him. He can be very compassionate, but only if something is on his radar.
What I mean by prudent and conservative is that although I have passions, I can't justify just following any and all of them. When it comes to action in the real world, I'm more economical and follow a path of certainty. This is especially true when I know others will be effected, so I can't imagine just having a child on the fly. I want to make sure that child has a secure family, has a home, etc. So I do the important things in a traditional order because that order makes sense to me. I come across as very open minded, but it's not necessarily for the sake of being open minded. I just want to see all possibilities and then make the best choice. I did infant potty training with my first because it seemed to be the best possible option given the human options I was aware of.
I see...I relate to how you describe your conservatism... I have a certain standard of living I want for my children. It's so hard to deny them the best of everything I can provide. It's such a tight rope to walk as a parent because I have a tendency of being too flexible and permissive....which then circles back to...."am I really giving them what they need in the long run?"
I wish I could see what's in my son...I struggle. He's 13 and we've always just "got" each other...it's so weird. Our humor was similar....only now that he's 13 am I seeing a bigger difference.
I've been able to type my daughter really easily (at least I *think* I'm correct)...but him, he's been hard just like me.
He wanted me to submit a type video so we did one together last night and submitted it... I suspect he'll be on the Ne/Si axis as me... I think he oscillates quite a bit too.
And I also think he's likely an E6...so maybe having that influence lends itself to more conservatism as well?