Post by Auburn on Mar 31, 2018 18:26:40 GMT -5
I really should get back to the website (working hard to push this baby to fruition; more updates coming) but I'd like to take a detour to talk about Dave Super Powers! Man, I had high hopes for the dude (re: thread).. but I think he's veered off course. Dave Powers is Te+Ne (TeSi-Te l-l-) and here's a photo of him from the site:
Dave Powers
What's eerie to me is how similar his face looks to the default TeSi profile image in the book:
Now that isn't the proof however. Just an amusing aside. I'm fairly confident he sees himself as an NiTe (I think he said so in a video) but his entire methodology, approach, articulation, lifepath (etc) points directly to Je-lead. Here's an example of this characteristic:
We see in this video and other works:
- Te Meritocracy
- Je Articulation
- Je Challenge + Power
It's a very Je "push" mindset. Effortful, directive, pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps. He watches dozens of motivational videos a day, to pump himself up. Now where I think Dave would differ in this opinion is that he says he's had to 'work at it' and that his innate impulse is to be distracted/unmotivated. But this itself is in line with the pattern we see for Je-leads, and indeed for all primary function types. As discussed first in this post, a human being is born as a certain type and they don't automatically "master" their primary function. In a way, life is a quest to master oneself. And so oddly they very often come to conclude... through a personal discovery of their innate epistemology... what the right-path-to-life-is. This is also why we see many self-help books written by Je-leads who feel they've "found" their answer to life by having a certain disposition and mindset. The Je-lead has found their answer, and professes it to the world.
But naturally it is not the whole world's answer. I've often see it where the Je-leads will actually feel like regular, unmotivated normal person who just put in the hard work and made something of themselves. But in reality, it's that they found their unique answer to life through an alignment with their nativity. Their approach wouldn't have occurred to someone else. TeSi James Cameron also talks about how he floundered about doing blue collar jobs in an aimlessness until his late 20s when he decided "this isn't getting me anywhere" and put himself into gear to make a film. And he's been working hardcore since.
Returning again to Dave, he discusses being a business entrepreneur in 2004 and his interest in MBTI stemmed from the fact that he used the MBTI data to craft more targeted web marketing, and "got results." Actually I'll link the video, as we see the Te+Si epistemology quite clearly:
He's very factually oriented in the scientific S+T manner, but moreso in the data-analyst, economist Te+Si manner - or the lawyer subtype.
Once again, however, I think he considers himself to be primarily an N type, and someone who had to learn how to yield to the fact that "data matters" and that the scientific community has a point in their stances. Yes, this is all quite true - but not everyone would:
a) come to that conclusion
b) believe in that conclusion at the epistemological level
c) decide to remedy that problem in the way he has
What's so fascinating to me about Dave is that he's probably a TeNe (unconscious Si from a vid i saw) that grew into his Ne first, then later discovered his Si - but his native temperament still gives easier access to Si in his psyche, so he has no problem sourcing raw facts and developing a methodology around static, delineated, unambiguous information. As you guys know, this behavior is actually rather rare among NiTe types... who tend to (not so much as NiFe's but) remain in a more esoteric dimension.. and never fully compromise or yield the epistemology that is inherent to Ni (re: Rupert Sheldrake's "The Science Delusion"). Either that or they're more flow-based along the Ni/Se axis.
I do wonder how he hasn't seen this about himself, though, if he's doing an empirical typology. I respect him and it's actually really saddening to see fellow truth-seekers (with the best of intentions) still not able to crack this puzzle. Dammit, why is it so difficult. I remember his videos from back in the day, and he thought of himself INTJ back then too. It seems as though he's stuck to that initial evaluation and doubled-down on it; elaborating from there. Something that initially probably went like this:
INTJ =
I = from being unseelie Te-lead, thus unsocial
N = from having higher Ne than Si consciously
T = from having Te-lead
J = from having Te-lead
And I think that relates to:
Saviors & Demons (Schemas and Fixations)
They appear to take a more language-analysis heavy approach to typings, but I assume they include some qualia as well. But it seems to me like... in the pursuit for a core.. truth axiom... an "unambiguous & always true" definition of a function, they've landed on something akin to core psychological fears. And that is the core premise. Aaack! Nooooo... Dave you took a wrong path. Ego fixations and schemas are what you'll identify with this approach, which is not necessarily the dominant and polar function. There's probably a fair statistical correlation, but it isn't "the" function.
Typology really is a labyrinth isn't it. What you place at the cornerstone determines the whole model's outcome.
He has all the right criticisms of MBTI, but not the right solutions. Fortunately, he's very receptive to hard data and I think there's a chance he might be willing to look at CT's data when the time's right. I'm tempted to travel to Oregon, and take a closer look at what they're mapping. Err, please feel free to use this thread as a discussion, and agree/disagree/anything. I'm just voicing my personal opinion on the matter.
Dave Powers
What's eerie to me is how similar his face looks to the default TeSi profile image in the book:
Now that isn't the proof however. Just an amusing aside. I'm fairly confident he sees himself as an NiTe (I think he said so in a video) but his entire methodology, approach, articulation, lifepath (etc) points directly to Je-lead. Here's an example of this characteristic:
We see in this video and other works:
- Te Meritocracy
- Je Articulation
- Je Challenge + Power
It's a very Je "push" mindset. Effortful, directive, pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps. He watches dozens of motivational videos a day, to pump himself up. Now where I think Dave would differ in this opinion is that he says he's had to 'work at it' and that his innate impulse is to be distracted/unmotivated. But this itself is in line with the pattern we see for Je-leads, and indeed for all primary function types. As discussed first in this post, a human being is born as a certain type and they don't automatically "master" their primary function. In a way, life is a quest to master oneself. And so oddly they very often come to conclude... through a personal discovery of their innate epistemology... what the right-path-to-life-is. This is also why we see many self-help books written by Je-leads who feel they've "found" their answer to life by having a certain disposition and mindset. The Je-lead has found their answer, and professes it to the world.
But naturally it is not the whole world's answer. I've often see it where the Je-leads will actually feel like regular, unmotivated normal person who just put in the hard work and made something of themselves. But in reality, it's that they found their unique answer to life through an alignment with their nativity. Their approach wouldn't have occurred to someone else. TeSi James Cameron also talks about how he floundered about doing blue collar jobs in an aimlessness until his late 20s when he decided "this isn't getting me anywhere" and put himself into gear to make a film. And he's been working hardcore since.
Returning again to Dave, he discusses being a business entrepreneur in 2004 and his interest in MBTI stemmed from the fact that he used the MBTI data to craft more targeted web marketing, and "got results." Actually I'll link the video, as we see the Te+Si epistemology quite clearly:
He's very factually oriented in the scientific S+T manner, but moreso in the data-analyst, economist Te+Si manner - or the lawyer subtype.
Once again, however, I think he considers himself to be primarily an N type, and someone who had to learn how to yield to the fact that "data matters" and that the scientific community has a point in their stances. Yes, this is all quite true - but not everyone would:
a) come to that conclusion
b) believe in that conclusion at the epistemological level
c) decide to remedy that problem in the way he has
What's so fascinating to me about Dave is that he's probably a TeNe (unconscious Si from a vid i saw) that grew into his Ne first, then later discovered his Si - but his native temperament still gives easier access to Si in his psyche, so he has no problem sourcing raw facts and developing a methodology around static, delineated, unambiguous information. As you guys know, this behavior is actually rather rare among NiTe types... who tend to (not so much as NiFe's but) remain in a more esoteric dimension.. and never fully compromise or yield the epistemology that is inherent to Ni (re: Rupert Sheldrake's "The Science Delusion"). Either that or they're more flow-based along the Ni/Se axis.
I do wonder how he hasn't seen this about himself, though, if he's doing an empirical typology. I respect him and it's actually really saddening to see fellow truth-seekers (with the best of intentions) still not able to crack this puzzle. Dammit, why is it so difficult. I remember his videos from back in the day, and he thought of himself INTJ back then too. It seems as though he's stuck to that initial evaluation and doubled-down on it; elaborating from there. Something that initially probably went like this:
INTJ =
I = from being unseelie Te-lead, thus unsocial
N = from having higher Ne than Si consciously
T = from having Te-lead
J = from having Te-lead
And I think that relates to:
Saviors & Demons (Schemas and Fixations)
They appear to take a more language-analysis heavy approach to typings, but I assume they include some qualia as well. But it seems to me like... in the pursuit for a core.. truth axiom... an "unambiguous & always true" definition of a function, they've landed on something akin to core psychological fears. And that is the core premise. Aaack! Nooooo... Dave you took a wrong path. Ego fixations and schemas are what you'll identify with this approach, which is not necessarily the dominant and polar function. There's probably a fair statistical correlation, but it isn't "the" function.
Typology really is a labyrinth isn't it. What you place at the cornerstone determines the whole model's outcome.
He has all the right criticisms of MBTI, but not the right solutions. Fortunately, he's very receptive to hard data and I think there's a chance he might be willing to look at CT's data when the time's right. I'm tempted to travel to Oregon, and take a closer look at what they're mapping. Err, please feel free to use this thread as a discussion, and agree/disagree/anything. I'm just voicing my personal opinion on the matter.
