He does say that once in the video to make his point and yes and that claim is incorrect. but the overall point of his video is that the cognitive functions need to be defined in such a way that is avoiding ambiguity and in that he is not wrong.
on another note i'm assuming he thinks he is an estp. i agree that he moves like a Pe lead would but his eyes look more Ne and his articulation looks more Te than Fe. at least to me but i'm still pretty new to this. i never really agreed with his videos when i was looking at mbti because he seemed like he was really opinionated and his videos we're all over the place. ironic considering i probably articulate in the same way most of the time.
on another note i'm assuming he thinks he is an estp. i agree that he moves like a Pe lead would but his eyes look more Ne and his articulation looks more Te than Fe. at least to me but i'm still pretty new to this. i never really agreed with his videos when i was looking at mbti because he seemed like he was really opinionated and his videos we're all over the place. ironic considering i probably articulate in the same way most of the time.
He is typed here as a SeTi and I agree. His eyes look sharp and piercing to me. He moves like a Pe-lead and his eyes are the steering wheel of his face and body. He has some puppeteer hands going on and his cheeks look flat, not tense. He does not show accidental personal giggle or smiles. His way of articulating looks blunt and that seems Te, but Fe when making negative judgements looks like Te (dismissing...). He looks like he's going to punch you at any instant. I think that's Fe-assertion, anger, aggression. It's, I think, the mix of Se-lead and Fe (momentum gains energy, making negative judgements while penetrating you with his eyes).
It's weird that he refuses... Did he see the Larin videos on youtube? Maybe he immediately compared it with his own understanding of the functions and didn't agree like many who come from MBTI and/or Socionics. He probably wouldn't be so put off by it if he saw it with fresh eyes and put aside the former systems :/ Also, he seemed to have invested in lecturing about typology and changing his view on it would be like contradicting everything he said, which can be hard to swallow, but he doesn't seem to be the kind to take it personnally so I don't know...
Maybe if he's not approached frontally but indirectly with humour, it may tickle his curiosity.
Lol I make it sounds like we want to convert a newbie or ensnare him
I think that the idea of contrasting functions working together is an idea that would be difficult to accept for a lot in the community. No Ne without Si, no Ni without Se, no Ti without Fe, no Fi without Te and vice versa. Also the idea of functions being visually readable, moreover if there's some room for ambiguity due to lack of practice, taking the identification of visual signals so technically seriously or lightly (assigning cues with low reliability to functions, watching a contradiction in visual signals, discrediting the whole system without deepening in its understanding by watching the Larin series and comparing, making a collection of personal typifications and reading the articles with visual accompaniments). I also think that there's a general misunderstanding of the functions from a technical standpoint (e.g. Si is not necessarily traditionalism, Si is storage of unconnected concrete data). There's also those who, understanding all of this, would discredit it anyway because they would think of it as a completely apart system that's disregarding entirely a behavioral approach and that's partly how CT comes across, saying crazy things like Einstein and Britney Spears are the same type. It's been said over and over again or at least that's how I see it. The direction of CT is to firstly know empirically how the brain works, then to sustain it by the use of EEGs and lastly to suggest personality types (behavioral packages) that are in alignment with the theory respecting others' subjectivity (personal bios).
Post by ayoungspirit on Jun 23, 2013 9:27:21 GMT -5
Too bad, because I find very rewarding and contemporary to connect the psychological theory to its reliance on the brain, and the brain itself to the nervous system as a whole, integrating different parts. I recently read a book for amateur on that topic by two neuroscientists. They were not doing Jungian typing of course but relating their work to psychology and personality, and most notably the effect of anxiousness and relaxed state on neuroplasticity and the whole body. So it made me ponder about Jungian functions in this regard.
Some would came to realize that, it is not because a man and another man are respectively muscular and not as muscular, that they do not share the same physiological constitution to start with.
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That's the aim, I think. To find that accordance between the brain mechanism (EEGs) and behavior. I was hesitating if it would be better if I stated that saying that those two characters were of the same cognitive configuration was "crazy" instead of crazy.
yeah I'm now definitely seeing the Se/Ni his occasional introverted perceiving looks somewhat zoned out rather than the presence Si would have also without the frown more commonly displayed with Si. it's definitely a subtle art telling the difference between the for lack of a better word more present looks of sensing functions against the less present looks of intuition. I'm still having some difficulty with his Fe though i don't see any Ti in his gesticulations they seem pretty solid and not very meticulous and the few expressions that i did see on him weren't very symmetrical one corner or another of his mouth perks up more than the other. take a look at 6:30 to see a hugely asymmetrical scowl and that same left corner scowl keeps happening at least until 7:30 and i also see Te eyebrow raises through out the whole video.
Post by peppergirl on Jul 22, 2013 17:57:52 GMT -5
What do you think of his new video?
He clearly makes the distinctions between the J-leads (Rationals) and the P-leads (Irrationals). I found it quite true (especially for Se-leads at least, I don't know if Ne-leads would know better what to do during an accident for example), I've never been in a very chaotic situation, not sure how I would react but it sounded interesting.
I think that in general he's right about J-leads being type A and P-leads being type B. It's in the nature of their psyche to be like that.
I'm not sure about whether a P-lead would be able to handle unstable situations better than a J-lead, but I definitely think that it's possible that the J-lead would be more stressed than the P-lead in one of those situations, then the P-lead would see that they need to take control and do so. I'm not really sure though.
Was it Arendee who tried to associate J-lead to type A personality? And P-leads with type B personality? Whoever came up with this, it is the biggest insane nonsensical crap I have ever heard in my whole life. (I know I was not supposed to be here. But someone had to say this. It happened to be me.)
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