chaoticbrain almost everything is 'simplistic' when not studied in depth, when seen from the surface. And superficial nonsesical parallels are often born from this. All typologies are based on the creation of categories and this requires generalizations. Science in general can't be made differently. The problem isn't in existence of categories. The outlook of a person in any given matter and the way the person sees it and uses it depends on how deep and sharp the eye is and not always on the 'quality' of the system. And that's where problems may arise. The problem with most typologies is not really the categories they create/generalizations but people's superficiality of understanding of the systems.
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Do you consider being the 379 tritype? That's the vibe I get from you. This tritype is highly ambitious but seeks comfort and pleasing ways to be successful. they are true diplomats. The 9 in this tritype wants hamony, the 3 wants success and the prize.
This tritype pretty much sits on the fence between type A and type B. My best chilhood friend (SeTi) was this tritype, with 3w2 leading, she was type A with lots of type B traits. She was very competitive but she wanted harmony and was easy-going, it smoothed her type A and type 3 traits. But she freaked out about things I was completely relaxed about, like grades and performance. To me, a day of test was the same as a walk in the park regardless of knowint the content or not (I'm a 479). It's really about deep motivations. I am perfectinist but not focused on my performance of prize, so my perfeccionism doesn't affect my drive or level of stress or my level of zero-competitiveness, it's a very personal perfeccionism that might only make me trow in the garbage something I did and didn't like, I can get frustrated but it's a personal iiner sorrowful way for not being able to express my truth accordinly to my ideals, never in a stressed way. I'm saying these things to illustrate how subtle and complex these things are... And that being perfeccionist can be a trait completely detached from the gist of what type A is about. One of the closest friend I had late teens and adulthood is an NeFi social 739. He's highly competitive but usually humane and easy-going. His high need for success and accomplishment is never bigger than his deep need for harmonic relating. He's at the same time laid-back and driven. I consider him type B with lots of type A traits.
Three tritypes who i believe to be likely to be type b: 479, 269, 459. Three tritypes who i believe to be likely to be type a: 378, 368, 358.
That actually was the tritype I ended up identifying with, last time I tried figuring out enneagram, and I'd say that description rings fairly true for me, although I'm not sure of the order. Glad to hear it sounds like I may finally have worked it out. I want success and the prize, but I also am easy-going and want peace between myself and my friends, and have the seven drive to do and learn interesting things and experience all that life has to offer, for my own sake more than to impress other. I'm pretty confident, so I tend not to get too freaked out until after the test is done, but I place a high level of value on my performance. And I care mostly about getting things done and done well, without stressing too much over the little details so long as I achieve what I want to achieve, and wouldn't gain anything substantial by fussing more over it and would be better off moving on to the next task.
I agree on the tritypes, although I think a 3 and 1 together would also be very likely to be type a, as 1's, from what I've gathered, are fairly perfectionist and driven. My guess would be (what each type contributes to, from my admittedly spotty knowledge of enneagram, although this obviously could vary quite a bit amongst individuals, so more a tendency rather than a definitive read): 1- Type A 2- Type B (slightly) 3- Type A 4- Type B 5/6/7- 50/50, with 5 the most B and 7 the most A, but with none having very strong leanings either way. I'd say someone most dominant in one of the three is more likely to be type B, but in the tritype they'd be a small factor 8- Type A 9- Type B
EDIT: And yeah, a lot of categorization systems are sort of arbitrary, which is why I prefer physics and chemistry to biology and the "soft sciences" as principles are, to me, more interesting than taxonomies. Personality typing is my way of exploring some of the fields that interest me, such as psychology, without formally studying them, which I know from experience drives me nuts as I just don't understand why we must, for instance, divide memory into really vague and nebulous categories that are so broad and non-definitive as to have no real meaning. I know it's a nitpick, and one people in the field work past, but it's just one that bugs me, for some reason. I'd love to learn more, and I'm trying to work past my own prejudices, but my mind just doesn't like working that way.
A yes, I agree very much on how 1 is connected with type A.
Well, Imo, in geeeeeneral it depends very much on the tritype and wing... more than solely on the leading type (even though I can't picture an e3 being type B hehe. Never seen one). I've seen many 4w3 who have 8 in the tritype and are type A, just to mention an example of how some 4s can be type A... two of these exemplars of 4w3 with 8 gut-fix I know are NiFe type A, one of them self-typed in all these things. I've seen lots of 2s type A and type B. I've met many Si-leads who have either 3 or 1 in the tritype and are type A hardcore, but with a soft persona. It's really complex... But some faint parallels can definitely be drawn in a symbolically way (more than in terms of defining ennea-lead-types are a or b)... Like associating points 1, 3 and 8 to A and 9 to B. Well, so many things,,, it's fun to see these things and I honestly find that even though CT makes much sense, I would noooot corelate this to type A and type B hehe (the only blunt parallel that makes a bit of sense to me (but it caaaaan't be a generalization aaaat aaaall) is a great percentage of Te-leads being type A.
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A yes, I agree very much on how 1 is connected with type A.
Well, Imo, in geeeeeneral it depends very much on the tritype and wing... more than solely on the leading type (even though I can't picture an e3 being type B hehe. Never seen one). I've seen many 4w3 who have 8 in the tritype and are type A, just to mention an example of how some 4s can be type A... two of these exemplars of 4w3 with 8 gut-fix I know are NiFe type A, one of them self-typed in all these things. I've seen lots of 2s type A and type B. I've met many Si-leads who have either 3 or 1 in the tritype and are type A hardcore, but with a soft persona. It's really complex... But some faint parallels can definitely be drawn in a symbolically way (more than in terms of defining ennea-lead-types are a or b)... Like associating points 1, 3 and 8 to A and 9 to B. Well, so many things,,, it's fun to see these things and I honestly find that even though CT makes much sense, I would noooot corelate this to type A and type B hehe (the only blunt parallel that makes a bit of sense to me (but it caaaaan't be a generalization aaaat aaaall) is a great percentage of Te-leads being type A.
*nods* That makes sense. People are complicated but Te does seem like it would lend itself to type A. And I think CT is more cognition, and does make more sense than enneagram as it's divisions seem to have a more grounded basis, whereas enneagram is easier to tie to A and B type traits, closer to the "what" even if that's not exactly what it describes (as I see a clearer line from why to what than from how to what). I agree 2 could go either way, depending on the strength of the wing, and I can see how 4w3 would lean towards A, now that I think about it, particularly when paired with 8, although I think 4w5, at the very least, would be more B. I think it's tough drawing direct lines between theories in general, but it's fun to try and think about. It's interesting how all the anger triad seem to have a definite bias, while it's hard to ascribe it to any of the thinking triad. Perhaps A vs B correlate more with the 1/8/9 differences...with 3 just lending itself to type A, for obvious reasons.
Post by ayoungspirit on Aug 20, 2013 11:51:30 GMT -5
I was only to say that there is another topic with an assessment of DJArendee type and method by Auburn, as well as one for others online typologists : Youtube and Typology