Post by ayoungspirit on Jun 25, 2013 18:19:29 GMT -5
I would say TiSe. Stay still between pauses, give a coordinate push when answering, smile going only wide (before camera cut), and a very 2D face on his picture :
peppergirl, Heron : and I finally see the TiSe in Brendan Perry (well, 3 videos out of 4 at least, the interview in the bar is not as obvious as the other extract regarding whole body coordination when pausing/answering)
Last Edit: Jun 26, 2013 8:09:08 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
Mh... for me he's much more warmer, i think his "slowing down" and pause is due to the fact that he wasn't english, and in that interview he talks in that language. Unfortunately, we don't have any interview in french (or russian), so it's difficult to say. I'm more prone for FeNi, but TiSe can also be right (in some points he reminds me a lot John Carpenter) in some other parts of the interview he seems very heavy with Ti. chaoticbrain, what type in particular you thought? Just to put your opinion in the list
I think we can start to write some opinions about the tipes we have found until now, i'll give you some "guidelines" i thought these days (when i have my document avaiable i'll put it into this post), feel free not to follow them , I think is a good idea to organize the document like this to be easier to read and find one determined type or person, and just to make you less scared, you don't have to write a bible, write only what you believe is necessary: First, make a document in "google dock" (the same i used for the list) for a better availability, suddivided in chapters, each chapters will contain 4 types, listed by common functions, the name for convenience will be the socionics one: alpha (TiNe, FeNi ect), beta (SeTi, NiFe ect), gamma (TeNi, FiSe etc), delta (NeFi, SiTe etc), then in alphabetical order the types, under the types, still in alphabetical order the composers. Next to the name, write also if you agree with the type agreed by the majority.
The criteria: first: analisys of the career (what genres, most important works), this specifically for the composers, is nearly impossible to write it for a type in general. Second: analysis of the style (arrangments, tendencies in the composition), Third: personal opinions (what kind of feelings gives to you, "do you like him?")
Example:
Heron's Composers Types Impressions
Alpha:
Analysis of the overall styles: They are very kzaart and less bzoord Personal opinions: They need more atchuum.
NeTi:
Analysis of the overall styles: They play every instrument, very badly. Personal opinions: I love how they cook
Heron (I agree with the type) or (i don't agree with the type: SeFi):
Analysis of the Career: He did some pankakes. Analysis of the style: He does not puts eggs and milk because he's vegan, he replaces them cornstarch and rice milk. Personal opinions: They had a nice taste.
I edited also the first post of the thread with this
Post by ayoungspirit on Jun 26, 2013 6:09:59 GMT -5
I would love to know about the pancakes recipe of famous composers
Nevertheless, I am not sure at all if I will have enough time or interest, or knowledge, in music to provide anything other than typing. Still think it is a great initiative
Last Edit: Jun 26, 2013 6:10:18 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
for me it seems more difficult than it actually is if you don't know too much about orchestration you can simply say "the trumpets are magnificent" or "the atmosphere is epic", i think are more important the personal sensations and opinions about it. But if you don't want to write the document i don't force you
Post by ayoungspirit on Jun 26, 2013 7:44:52 GMT -5
I see what you mean, and actually I played the piano when I was younger and learned substantial music theory, but the truth is that I do not listen to a lot of it daily (except what plays on TV or in my head) and did not know or almost know nothing of most of the people you presented in this thread, so I do not feel comfortable, yet, in giving impression and potentially comparative interpretation. I am juggling with a lot of projects for now, cognitive typing among them, so I cannot say honestly that I will be able to listen to a considerable amount of tracks in the next days or weeks. But I will follow this one on the long term, and perhaps join at more adequate time !
Heron : And now I really think Hans Zimmer is NeTi. There is not a clear lock-on/zone out routine, his eyes are kind of naive and brushing everywhere but without scowling or blinking so high Ne, very flat face so high Ti. Him vibrating and looking elsewhere while talking give me more of Pe lead impression.
Heronpeppergirl : I agree now on Danny Elfman being TiSe with a somewhat misleading smile. Long pauses and some warm push, little wide smile.
Last Edit: Jun 26, 2013 8:32:24 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
Post by ayoungspirit on Jun 26, 2013 8:48:48 GMT -5
Heronpeppergirl : And I think TiSe for John Carpenter too, quite sure of it. Funny that it took me so long to finally get the signals correctly, as I am supposed to have them myself according to readings, maybe I was referencing my own hybridity
Last Edit: Jun 26, 2013 8:54:57 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
About Hans Zimmer, I was maybe misled by the fact he has fixed/cunning eyes but it was probably due to his high use of Fe (hence the "Steve Jobs" vibe). It's true, as I formerly said, his eyes look soft and naive compared to other Se's.
John Carpenter, he has some jittery Se movements but it stays in the confine of his calm posture, he has a receding energy overall. He looks quite thoughtful and a bit... calculating. Ti+Se/Ni with low Fe can look a bit creepy sometimes ^^
Philip Glass... He looks he has good oscillation between Te and Fi. I would say he's TeSi, his eyes look a bit hard and forward because he's Te-lead I guess. As a sidenote, I remember this music, it haunted my childhood, yeah my parents let me watch this movie By the way do I sense Si nostalgia in this song?;
As for the document I don't know if I'll have the time to write stuff, I think it will depend more on my mood and availability... But great project nonetheless!
Last Edit: Jun 26, 2013 9:58:18 GMT -5 by peppergirl
Mh... i was thinking about that. I can say that my brother (FiNe) loves the Philip Glass compositions, so we can have a point in favor of this hypothesis. I'm convinced he is a Te lead, i'm searching desperately some pictures when he was younger. About the song, yeah, i noticed that Te leads makes music that is somewhat "severe" in its atmosphere, about Si or not i don't know, i'm confused with his type, i found Badalamenti more prone to compose music with this quality
Post by ayoungspirit on Jun 27, 2013 8:40:49 GMT -5
For Phillip Glass : the airy voice that sometimes almost mumbles (7:20) (like if Te heavy flow was blocked by Fi neutralization), somehow not-so-strong push and restrained posture, and the whole face affected by emotion still really inclined me to think Fi lead (with a good Te development, he is old after all). Also, he seems to wear pain on his younger pic. Eyes are tricky, but now I think that they are Ne infused with a bit of Te assertion,. The scowl is alternative between center and edge, but I am starting to realize that Ne lead or support do not really side scowl as much as strong Si. They also seem to have this light excessive lubrication peel effect (sometimes glazed effect) that I see a lot in heavy Ne user (Auburn : what do you think of that ? Heron : I have seen it on your eye close-up pics ; or Felicia Day in the Internet Celebrity thread). => FiNe for now, Fi leads can come quite strongly if the subject is close to their heart.
Last Edit: Jun 27, 2013 10:55:19 GMT -5 by ayoungspirit
Now i think he's a Fi lead, he is constantly neutralizing himself, if wasn't for the other interview i would have thought he is a Ti user .__., anyway, i'm still confused with the P functions, later i'll do more detailed analysis
Edit: i was thinking to put green all the reads already done by Erifrail and Alerith, but i'm undecided. After all they are more expert, so their readings are accurate, but from another side is ingenuous take it all for good without reasoning up a bit by ourself, i think they are probably of the same opinion. What do you think?