Also I have a few points of confusion. His body movements are very reserved which would say J > P , right? (maybe not) But he also looks, from what I can tell, like his eyes lead the rest of his face which would say P > J. Can you explain what I'm seeing/not seeing or where I'm going wrong?
I'd say you got the Fi/Se thing right. I actually can't tell if the face is eye centric or not, but he tends to look down a lot which is a Ji- thing to do, I think.
When his eyes glance in a different direction, they tend to linger longer than an Ne person's would, and yes, his eyes are pretty steady, not really blinking that much. He doesn't have a particularly sharp look to him though.
First off I'd say Ni/Se > Si/Ne. His eyes are pretty steady and he has the zone out/lock on deal. I'd also say Fi/Te > Ti/Fe. Voice is pretty monotone and doesn't swell (Te) and also there's that Fi tension in his cheeks.
Yeah, I completely agree with this. He seems FiSe to me, with Fi being the most apparent function.
Also I have a few points of confusion. His body movements are very reserved which would say J > P , right? (maybe not) But he also looks, from what I can tell, like his eyes lead the rest of his face which would say P > J. Can you explain what I'm seeing/not seeing or where I'm going wrong?
Right, reserved rigid body movements are an indication of Ji specifically (doesn't apply to Je). His eyes kind of appear to lead his face, but actually he's just zoning-out with Se/Ni. He's more face-centric than eye centric in the sense that his face operates as one unit instead of being divided between the eyes doing one thing while the face does another.
It is a bit more challenging to tell apart face-centric/eye-centric for Ni/Se users, because they dart around less (and if they're just looking straight forward it's hard to tell if their eyes are leading or if they just happen to be looking in the same direction as the face (i.e. zoned out)). But when he does dart his eyes, they do move independent of the face. And when he zones-out he doesn't drift his head to the side exclusively to zone-out, he just zones-out in whatever position his head's already in.
There are the other signals that indicate Fi is higher, such as: - natively receding energy (Fi>Se) - strong accidental radiation of sullen aura (when he's just sitting there, the tension on his cheeks and the way he holds himself carries a strong feeling) - absence of native excitation/momentum (Pe not lead) - the way his smile overtake his face so completely with Fi (when perception > Fi, the eyes retain their intensity while the smile does it's own thing below the eyes)
The looking down is indeed Ji, and yeah he does have that Te monotone too.
p.s. - looking back at this thread, we are getting some incredible consensus overall; it's unheard of! Haven't known of any other community that can do that. It really excites me to know others are also seeing these things. =D
sorry, but i have to exhume Adam Savage . I was thinking about him this time, and i think there is a thing that is really confusing, for two facts: Auburn in the video you've posted he makes some smiles that are pretty similar to the rachel mcadams one's (like a manly version of her), he is also very warm in his demeanour.
so, his smiles are objectively pretty wide. But he have also a prominent snarl in his face Here compared with jamie:
Catrific has the functions Fi/Te and Se/Ni but to me she doesn't quite come off as a NiTe. I get the feeling that she has this constant bubbly energy (Se?) inside of her. In the first video especially, she doesn't really have the Te deadpan face and radiates a constant warmth. Her Fi snarl is also very emphasized. Perhaps that means that she has Fi before Te? Also, she never zones out and I think her eyes look more Se-like. I'd say SeFi. Possibly FiSe.
EDIT: she doesn't seem to lead with her eyes which points more towards FiSe.
Catrific has the functions Fi/Te and Se/Ni but to me she doesn't quite come off as a NiTe. I get the feeling that she has this constant bubbly energy (Se?) inside of her. In the first video especially, she doesn't really have the Te deadpan face and radiates a constant warmth. Her Fi snarl is also very emphasized. Perhaps that means that she has Fi before Te? Also, she never zones out and I think her eyes look more Se-like. I'd say SeFi. Possibly FiSe.
EDIT: she doesn't seem to lead with her eyes which points more towards FiSe.
I'm seeing the bubbly energy combined with the toggling eyes and the meticulous hand movements as NeTiFe. Ne>Se because, as you said, she isn't lead by her eyes and she never really zones out. She just looks all around, but rarely does she move her head when she does. I don't see any Fi in Catrific. She head nods along with people when they're talking, a common and agreeable way of showing someone that you're focused on what they're saying. My overall feeling from her is that she is very concerned about engaging her audience("Kittens") and extraverting her feeling and I'd perhaps say FeSi, but I get Pe before Je.
When people are obviously looking at a camera strategically or words on a screen, it's difficult for me to tell whether or not they'd otherwise focus foward as they do on screen. She's very practiced, but NiTe seems out of the question.
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She's an explorer-lead. She has a loose, swaying and fluid body, and natural momentum. (She's very similar to my SeFi friend in that one thread.) Her thought pattern is one I can identify clearly as being Se-lead. It's causal-based, linear and tactile. It elaborates in a manner that is different from Ne. She has naturally large eyes, but the eyes are sharp and stand on the end of the sockets. They do toggle quite a bit and she has a lot of momentum - and she's not very Ni heavy.
When people are obviously looking at a camera strategically or words on a screen, it's difficult for me to tell whether or not they'd otherwise focus foward as they do on screen. She's very practiced, but NiTe seems out of the question.
Aaargh, yes, she's got a lot of "acting" going on. Her face moves like an Fi user, but her gesticulation emulates some type of warmth. This is a bit confusing, either she's deliberately making funny snarly faces, or she's learned how to express a personable aura. Which isn't impossible but uncommon. >.> edit: Okay, upon viewing more of her videos and comparing them to other SeFi I do think SeFi > SeTi. Comparing with video below. But I'm not 100% on this yet.
Adam Savage... has fat cheeks that makes creases on his face where the 'snarl' might appear to be but this isn't Fi. Looking at pictures when he was younger and thinner, it's apparent he does have Fe. There isn't tension in his cheeks, at any stage of his life, but there's just fat now ^^; and when he smiles it does go to the sides but it struggles to push the fat aside. A futher video of him (below) shows the natural Ti/Fe style of articulation and mouth, as well as hands.
She doesn't have Ti meticulous hands (Differences in Ti/Fi hands). As for her eyes, both Se/Ni and Ne/Si eyes toggle, but what I notice straight away is her very alert and penetrating eyes which does not indicate Ne/Si. I occasionally nod my head when people are talking to me just to let them know that I'm listening since I seem quite aloof most of the time. This is probably not the case with Catrific but it's something to keep in mind. She also has pretty obvious Fi (Fi/Fe subtle differences). Here are pictures of her smiling ("Fi snarl"):
Catrific reminds me a bit of @morsecode who also looked like a Pe-lead but it turned out to be her auxiliary function. Maybe this is also the case with Catrific since she considers herself an "introvert". Either that or she has mistyped that part about herself as well.
I see what you're saying about her eyes. I get the feeling that she's very focused and alert; and looking at other videos, she doesn't appear to blink or even toggle much at all. Nonetheless, she is an entertainer, and I don't think it would be unexpected for someone of any type who intentionally projects a persona for entertainment to look directly at their audience. Her focused appearance isn't enough for me, in light of what she's doing.
I'm more convinced by her microexpressions, since those would be far more difficult to consistently feign, and I do see the Fi. What I'd like more clarification on is how she is articulating through Te vs Fe.
I don't relate to Catrific at all... it is even insulting lol, to be honest. The person who said that so did not get me in my long 30-second video haha - layers and gist.
Anyways, I would never keep a video of myself talking to the camera on youtube.. unless I was talking about something that I would believe to impact or change people's lives and/or send a message I found really important about a really important matter (that would ultimatrly save/change the world. Me only as a means/intrument to do something big, like improving life condition on the planet). I find all those youtube celebrities wanna-be boring to death and young-soul-ish, annoying.
I agree on SeFi for her for the reasons already mentioned in other posts.