Post by Heron on Jul 10, 2013 9:47:47 GMT -5
(Auburn Alerith i think a comment from you two about it will be enlightening )
Despite the name, it doesn't has anything to do with the VR, visual reading.
When i drifted (for just a moment) from mbti to socionics i started to be a little interested in this test, but after a while, it started to disappoint me.
Basically, for socionics each type (and subtype) has peculiar facial characteristics.
Let's see the presentation from the website "the 16 types":
(i'll write in bold all the things that to me are wrong or stereotyped)
Translated: if you're stupid (giving right that the IQ test has some validity in this sense), if are too young (lived too little), or too old (lived too much), the questionnaire doesn't work.
How exactly works the V.I.? Like always, it is more a behavioral thing, and like all the test based on behavior, it can guess right or be wrong.
For example, it makes distinction between introverts and extroverts in this way:
Extroverts: open look, lively in communication, active and somewhat superficial curiosity (with no intention to go deeper into the subject), strive to grasp as much as possible, unconstrained gesticulation “from the shoulder on”, quick movements, tendency to dominate in talks and contacts. During conversations extraverts express rather impressions about the things they've seen than evaluate them.
Introverts: looking “from inside a shell”, alert, reserved behavior and submission in contacts, slowly awaking curiosity (and tendency to deepen into the discussed topic), reserved gesticulation "from the elbow ". They express rather attitudes than facts (I like or dislike; it is normal or abnormal etc.).
There are some other things, you can read them in the link i wrote up in this post.
In my opinion, all these divisions are extremely biased. I'm not a expert in psychology and in C. Theory, but it doesn't take a genius to see this is more "pseudoscience" than actual "science".
But the part that amuse me more is when the V.I. falls in the physiognomy.
I made a lot of research about it in the socionics websites, to see if they use actual evidences (like the Fi tension found here in CT) in anatomy, and from what i read, it completely lacks of this.
Basically, it seems that they base the "identifications" only on superficial evidences.
I will write more about it in the future, i'm still searching informations about it, for the moment what do you think here?
ps, from another site:
IMPORTANT NOTE: a valid methodology of visual identification still does not exist. Filatova herself fotographed people only AFTER detecting their types. However, when the number of people diagnosed by her approached several hundreds (actually it exceeds 1500), she began to mention certain regularities in people's appearance, which correlated well with their personality types, and even so called "twin series" within each of the 16 types.
Despite the name, it doesn't has anything to do with the VR, visual reading.
When i drifted (for just a moment) from mbti to socionics i started to be a little interested in this test, but after a while, it started to disappoint me.
Basically, for socionics each type (and subtype) has peculiar facial characteristics.
Let's see the presentation from the website "the 16 types":
(i'll write in bold all the things that to me are wrong or stereotyped)
About why the V.I. thest is better than the classic test based on questionnaires:
Testing without questionnaires means that a psychologist “visually” detects all the four binary dimensions of the client (...) This method gives more precise results in the following cases: when a client has low IQ or for some other reasons cannot give valid answers to the questionnaire; when a questionnaire is badly validated and does not have correcting scales (like e.g. Keirsey Temperament Sorter); when a client is below 13 and his self-understanding of his own behavior in typical situations is limited; when a client already has psychological backgrounds and is intended to distort the testing outcome. One more natural case of application of visual type detection is also a situation when questioning is impossible at all (...).Translated: if you're stupid (giving right that the IQ test has some validity in this sense), if are too young (lived too little), or too old (lived too much), the questionnaire doesn't work.
How exactly works the V.I.? Like always, it is more a behavioral thing, and like all the test based on behavior, it can guess right or be wrong.
For example, it makes distinction between introverts and extroverts in this way:
Extroverts: open look, lively in communication, active and somewhat superficial curiosity (with no intention to go deeper into the subject), strive to grasp as much as possible, unconstrained gesticulation “from the shoulder on”, quick movements, tendency to dominate in talks and contacts. During conversations extraverts express rather impressions about the things they've seen than evaluate them.
Introverts: looking “from inside a shell”, alert, reserved behavior and submission in contacts, slowly awaking curiosity (and tendency to deepen into the discussed topic), reserved gesticulation "from the elbow ". They express rather attitudes than facts (I like or dislike; it is normal or abnormal etc.).
There are some other things, you can read them in the link i wrote up in this post.
In my opinion, all these divisions are extremely biased. I'm not a expert in psychology and in C. Theory, but it doesn't take a genius to see this is more "pseudoscience" than actual "science".
But the part that amuse me more is when the V.I. falls in the physiognomy.
I made a lot of research about it in the socionics websites, to see if they use actual evidences (like the Fi tension found here in CT) in anatomy, and from what i read, it completely lacks of this.
Basically, it seems that they base the "identifications" only on superficial evidences.
I will write more about it in the future, i'm still searching informations about it, for the moment what do you think here?
ps, from another site:
IMPORTANT NOTE: a valid methodology of visual identification still does not exist. Filatova herself fotographed people only AFTER detecting their types. However, when the number of people diagnosed by her approached several hundreds (actually it exceeds 1500), she began to mention certain regularities in people's appearance, which correlated well with their personality types, and even so called "twin series" within each of the 16 types.