Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 18, 2013 11:23:44 GMT -5
I would not be able to quote the exact sentence or even book or reference, but I believe Jung himself considered Freud both about introverted feeling and extroverted thinking, and surprisingly mostly in the former if we were to consider his real deep process. He is often considered an ENTJ of some kind, but he might well be a FiSe. He would be mostly unseelie I guess.
As for the reasons he was disputing and tyrannizing everyone with half-baked imagery and sexual contrivances...
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Sigmund FreudJul 18, 2013 11:32:39 GMT -5 by Deleted
sitbone, it's good that you created this thread! I swear to you I was thinking of bringing a discussion on Freud's type to the forum. I have never found footage of him.
He reminds me of Woody Allen in so many ways. I find it very unlikely he was an Fi-lead... almost impossible. I was thinking SeFi or Te-lead. i dunno.
edit: but his cheeks seem to flat and not tensioned... that I wouldn't be surprised if he was a Ti/Fe user (even though his theoretical monomania screams Fi/Te).
If he possessed the Ni/Se oscillations wheel in his stack, his Ni use was not really there, almost no use of it (Se-heaviest-linear-thoght-processing-and-that's-it). I can't see Ni anywhere in what he did in terms of how he approached the psyque. He was so rooted in past events, rejected firmly the concepts of archetype and collective unconscious, even transference he believed to be strictly repetition of unresolved conflicts from childhood... this seems Si-related... Or not. Hehehe. Hoping to hear thoughts on his CT.
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ehm... the interview is a fake XD At first i didn't understood how it was possible to have a video in technicolor about him (if we have a black and white interview with Jung (and stravinsky) so i searched informations about the interviewer... and is quite impossible that her interviewed Freud for real, because she (dr Ruth Westhmeimer) is born in 1928 and Freud is died in 1939. And the zoom... is a too recent technology. And this is his real voice:
Going just off the pictures and the voice, I'd like to second the Fi/Te opinion, as he does appear to have Unseelie Fi. Although I'm not as sure about his eyes, as I don't really see Se-sharpness in any of the photos. It's somewhat hard to tell from stills alone.
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Sigmund FreudJul 18, 2013 11:57:35 GMT -5 by Deleted
@morsecode i know that for the mbti community he was an "ISTJ" , but frankly i'm having a totally different idea (and quite terrifying actually), i want to wait and read the opinions of other people because maybe i'm totally wrong
Post by ayoungspirit on Jul 18, 2013 12:31:22 GMT -5
For the sake of comparison (could not find a bigger one, this is from the advanced cue thing) :
Could be a Pe lead, but his eyes looks aggressive Se in the first picture compared to Robin Williams ? Also, the recording is very slow and pausing (but also on very old and contriving equipment I guess, and he talks in English, which no need to remind it, was not his native language).
I find it difficult to see the cold cheeks of a Te lead (maybe a bit more in Tom hanks ?) :
But all of this material is quite inconclusive in all regards (old, poor quality, lack of video, bad times for him), and I might be wrong of course.
Edit : I added constipated and deadpan zooms of (relatively old) tom hanks :
Heron from these plenty of awesome pics you found that give us much perspective, *moarseshock* PeFi? :-0 or TePi? ah, i didn't know he was typed as ISTJ by mbti community :0
I do think he's a Se lead, though it's quite difficult to know this with certainty. Precisely i think he was a SeTi, SePi at least, i all his photos to me his eyes say "you have my complete attention", and on a side note, i see a thing i noticed in many strong Se users, the half-open mouth while focusing on something. Why i think Ti/Fe: it will be for the bad quality of the photos, but i don't see that much tension in his cheeks, at least in his young photos. If i have to compare him with someone, i think he will be Tom Hardy (one i think he's a SeTi), they have a strikingly similar facial structure (droopy edges, flabby face), in the spoiler some pictures:
He reminds me a lot of my father [even though they look completely different hehe] who is an SeFi [Se&Te-heeeaaavy]
My father doesn't present much Fi tension on his face, but his smile is completely vertical and when he laughs and smiles, the Fi-snarl is evident. It's a pitty we don't have pictures of Freud smiling to see how it is.
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Post by 999greeneyes on Jul 18, 2013 16:07:20 GMT -5
Hi, Jung himself typed Freud as Fi dominant and with inferior Te. John Beebe did not disapprove of this.
I do agree his face do exhibit Fi (flat cheeck) and Te (dead pan face) combo. On his face he seems to have quit strong Se, and has he gets older on the picture Ni seems to creep in picture nr 14. I think this can also go back that he did not developed his theory until the age of 40. When I read dream analysis by Freud. He did seem to have good graps of symbolic thinking which I would for most associate with Ni. For example, he observed that a toodler in his criddle, playing with the object used to hide and bring forth the object with the towel. After observing his mum going back and in the door. Freud interpreted is has the kid was symbolically creating the scene in where mum would go disappear and come back (Ni). However, reading the book I felt like information was coming from all angles and everywhere (Ne)
However, picture 12, just remind me so much of SiTe. So I'm confused on this one, based from the picture above. (Concentrated Scowling and Dropping Edges Si). So I will decide SiTe just pick one
Actually I believe Jung thought he was at certain points. Seemed to go back and forth between Se and Fi.
"[Freud's theory] is strictly limited to empirical facts [and] accords the greatest role to sensation."
Also I'm curious why no one has posted this picture yet, kind of smiling in these. I'm not sure if that helps though, I can't see anything in the pictures.